man .. arent they smart like their leaders.
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Seminole, may be you want to polish up on your history, Muslims were never called crusaders. This term has been exclusively used for the christians.
Kicked back out or slaughtered ? Again ignornat comment.
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Ah yes. Just because the word crusaders has not historically been used for Muslims, doesn't mean I can't use it. I've seen you refer to Amercia as a terrorist nation. I find just as much offense with that. As far as the ignorant comment goes -- you ever heard about glass houses?
what kind of uniform do they wear within their own country? in other "non-Muslim" countries?
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I've seen you refer to Amercia as a terrorist nation. I find just as much offense with that.
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Is America a religion like Islam, or a country like any other? If someone calls America a "terrorist nation" are they offending your country or your religion? Try to differentiate between the two. :)
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Is America a religion like Islam, or a country like any other? If someone calls America a "terrorist nation" are they offending your country or your religion? Try to differentiate between the two :)
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I wasn't trying to compare America to Islam,
Sallams to the muslims and Hi to the non-muslims
Thank you all for replying and responding to my post with all your comments, i have returned to this board after a long absence ( i had some disagreements with the moderators, which has now been resolved).
muslims only conquored lands to spread the justice of Islam, Islam started with the arabs in the middle east and spread to all corners of the globe. Muslims never killed innocent civilians or looted countries for personal benefit. So we can see that even to this day the people in those lands where Islam was applied have remained muslim to this day, because Islam was not imposed on them by force.
Also if German peacekeepers in Israel were to wear the swastika on their uniform imagine what the uproar will be. Why out of all the symbols which are available did the spanish army choose that one? Maybe its because they remember teh gloriouse Islamic rule in Spain which made that country a centre of learning and culture.
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They are not trying to defeat the Muslims (as they did when kicking out the foreign invaders from Spain). They are trying to help defeat the thugs and terrorists for the benefit of Iraqi people. Something no one else has taken the responsibility to do.
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whenever non mulsim invade, they go for peace and if Muslim does the same they are invaders, etc.
They are trying to set up a regime that is friendly to them, have some business and oil monopoly there. Thats what they want. who gives a **** about Iraqi people??
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Thats what they want. who gives a **** about Iraqi people??
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No one gave a **** about the Iraqi's when Saddam was in power, why care what's going on there now?
"Not to ruin this victimolgoy thread, but we have more important things to worry about then patches on spanish uniforms."
Amen Brother!
What purpose is served by dredgeing up any debate on history centuries ago. I am not responsible for the actions of my father and my grandfather and his grandfather.
The Iraqis need peace and stability. The Spanish are sending troops not because the want to live as conquerers, and not because they are going to steal the oil. Spanish men are going there to possibly fight and die so that peace can be restored to Iraq, and so that Iraqis can have freedom and dignity, not tyrrany.
So let's all just get a little thicker skin, and live and let live. The Spanish mean no offense by wearing a "patch". (And since Muslim countries care more about seeing the US embarrassed than helping thier Muslim brothers, nobody really has the right to complain anyway. Of course Muslim soldiers who are dispatched on a mission to enable a democracy may have a hard time returning to countries where there is no democracy.)
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No one gave a **** about the Iraqi's when Saddam was in power, why care what's going on there now?
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because now its being done in name of liberation and by the champion of democracy and human rights.
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What purpose is served by dredgeing up any debate on history centuries ago. ...
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If they use the same patch on their uniform as regular part of uniform then it could be okay, otherwise it'll definitely be offensive.
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No one gave a **** about the Iraqi's when Saddam was in power, why care what's going on there now?
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No one did??
No one bothered to attack Iraq if that is what you mean
but there sure were a lot of people who cared. did you miss the debate surrounding the embargo?
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what kind of uniform do they wear within their own country? in other "non-Muslim" countries?
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Good Q Changez_like,
I will hazard a guess that the uniform is the same....
Though research is necessary.......
Thinking story was intentionally argumentative and antagonistic...
God knows people love a debate..
And God knows some people get a jolly over being deemed righteous.
And God knows some people get a jolly over being the martyr.
My thinking is that the martyrs only feel righteous when they are martyr'd. And the righteous only feel righteous when they martyr* another.
Wonder if human mentality will ever improve?
Who gives a ***k about the Spanish. After what the Muslims did for them, they go out and almost wipe out the entire South American native population. Let them wear their stupid patch. Maybe some Iraqi's will find out and bury a few of them. They will be crawling back to Spain pretty soon after that.
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Nice way to try and derail the subject with semantics.
The fundamental question - does anyone here deny that Spain has chosen to send forces to Iraq wearing a symbol that celebrates the defeat of Muslims, and the complete replacement of Islam in a land with a different belief system?
What kind of statement does that give regarding Coalition intentions for Iraq, when a portion of the Coalition patrols is wandering around proudly wearing symbols celebrating the defeat of Muslims and their (often forced) conversion to Christianity?
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mAd_ScIeNtIsT,
FYI,
Jews were also (often forced) to convert.
Put the blame on the dark ages where it belongs.
Any hoot...
Order of Saint James of Compostela
(SANTIAGO DE LA ESPADA).
Founded in the twelfth century, owes its name to the national patron of Spain, St. James the Greater, under whose banner the Christians of Galicia began in the ninth century to combat and drive back the Mussulmans of Spain.
Compostela, in Galicia, was the centre of devotion to the apostle St. James the Greater.
And..services were offered in that town for the protection of pilgrims to the shrine of St. James and the hospices on the roads leading to Compostela.
In the Dark Ages, many people made pilgrimage to places thought holy, similar to the pilgrimage Muslims make to Kaaba.
Anyway you are right that the *order*St. James of Compostela was honored for driving back muslims, but, somewhat wrong in the sense as for the reason why.
Was military and hospitaller.
St. James the Greater, having preached Christianity in Spain, returned to Judea and was put to death by order of Herod; his body was miraculously translated to Iria Flavia in the northwest of Spain, and later to Compostela, which town, especially during the Middle Ages, became one of the most famous places of pilgrimage in the world.
The vow of making a pilgrimage to Compostela to honour the sepulchre of St. James is still reserved to the pope, who alone of his own or ordinary right can dispense from it.
In the twelfth century was founded the Order of Knights of St. James of Compostela.
St. James the Greater
(Heb. Yakob; Sept. Iakob; N.T. Greek Iakobos; a favourite name among the later Jews).
was....
The son of Zebedee (q.v.) and Salome (Cf. Matthew 27:56; Mark 15:40; 16:1).
He was the brother of John, the beloved disciple.
Salome is often concidered to be the sister of the Virgin Mary.
Zebedee...
The sons of Zebedee "forthwith left their nets and father, and followed him" (Jesus) (Matthew 4:22), and became "fishers of men".
St. James was afterwards with the other eleven called to the Apostleship (in catholic belief).
AAG, thanks for posting all that info, but that does not really help determine if Spanish army has worn that patch in past, what occasions etc.
I think a badge celebrating the killing and masscres of muslims is a small thing compared to the Actual occupation and furthur humiliation of our muslim brothers and sisters in iraq by occupying forces like the Americans and the Spainiards!
The actual occupation is the big picture which people should be focusing on.
the badge is just salt being rubbed in by the occupiers into the already huge wound of the ummah!
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AAG, thanks for posting all that info, but that does not really help determine if Spanish army has worn that patch in past, what occasions etc.
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Changez,
I am hazarding a guess that the patch is probobly a regular part of the uniform.
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They are not trying to defeat the Muslims (as they did when kicking out the foreign invaders from Spain). They are trying to help defeat the thugs and terrorists for the benefit of Iraqi people. Something no one else has taken the responsibility to do.
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Bull!!
true…but the muslims still invaded spain first.