answers to false accusations!!

as u all know mr watcher came up with some accusations,here is the answer to that..i emailed a learned person and this is the answer:

Assalamu 'alaikum

this sunni person is saying this and i dont know wether its from authentic
shia book or what?
please let me know

This person is a liar! See below.

Dear Brothers and Sisters, here are some deviated beliefs that shias hold
about differen aspects of Islam. It truely saddens me to represent their
work
here. As a Muslim, its my duty to expose their false and illogical
beliefs!
And only Islam we should follow is the Islam that is in QURAN and in
Sunnah
of Prophet Mohammad. May Allah help them and us follow the correct Islam
of
Quran and Sunnah of the Mohammad. Ameen. Read on…please.

The Shia of Ahlul Bayt (as) follow the holy Quran and the Sunnah of the
prophet Mohammad (s) and obtain the meanings/interpretation of the Quran and
the authentic Sunnah from the reliable source: Ahlul Bayt (s) - the family
of the prophet (s), as instructed in hadith al-Thaqalain (see
http://al-islam.org/encyclopedia/)..)

REFERENCES from their own books are presented under each category.

                Shia beliefs on Allah:
                Allah

                1.) He has the Quality of 'Badaa'.
                2.) This means he forgets.
                3.) He makes mistakes.
                4.) He plans but this does not take effect.
                5.) He does not know who to appoint as the next

message

conveyor, the next Imaam.

This is a blatent twisted interpretation by the “sunni” of the meaning of
Bidaa (pronounced bida~'). Read the section on Bidaa in al-Kafi, including
the footnotes, for a the correct understanding. You will find out that there
are no such claims in our book(s).
http://www.al-shia.com/html/ara/books/al-kafi-1/53.html in Arabic.
http://www.tiac.net/users/islam/literature/kafiusul/part3/part3-ch24.htm in
English.

Allahs knows all. This concept has to do with what Allah (swt) decides to
reveal (or make apparent: bidaa) from His knowledge to His creatures. It is
directly related to this holy verse:
“Allah doth blot out or confirm what He pleaseth: with Him is the
mother of the book.” [13:39]

Contrast our belief in the unity of Allah with the Sunni beliefs that Allah
has body parts! (See Bukhari)

A relevent book title on God and His Attributes
http://al-islam.org/GodAttributes/index.html

                6.) "We (shias) do not worship such a god who gives

authority to rascals like Yazid,
Mu’awiyyah and Uthmaan."

Assuming that this statement is made by someone, it means that God (awj)
does not appoint (or approve of) tyrants and people who misappropriate the
wealth and property of his nation. These people usurped the khilafa from
those who Allah (swt) chose and appointed: Ahlul Bayt, after the prophet
(s). The mere fact that they got to the throne is not an indication of
Allah’s approval. Fir’oun (and all of today’s leaders) also got to power -
is Allah happy with them?

                7.) They say "Ali says.....I am the first and I am the

last. I am the manifest and I am the
hidden and I am the heir of earth."

This is a false statement and is disregarded. The Shia don’t have a book,
other than the holy Quran, which they consider all true. Unlike the Sunnis
(i.e. Bukhari & Muslim), every hadith and statement is subject to critique
and is disregarded if it goes against the Quran and hadith standards.

                8.) Shias say that the Imaams are the face of Allaah,
                9.) The eyes of Allaah among his creation.
                10.) The tongue of Allaah among his creation.

These are not to be taken literally, if they exist in print! Only an
imposter accuses us of such literal falsehood.

Following the Imams leads to the path of Allah’s, the straight path. They
are the witnesses the Quran talks about in the aya:
“Thus have we made of you an Ummat justly balanced, that ye might
be witnesses over the nations, and the apostle a witness over
yourselves; and we appointed the Qibla to which thou wast used,
only to test those who followed the apostle from those who would
turn on their heels (from the faith). indeed it was (a change)
momentous, except to those guided by Allah. and never would Allah
make your faith of no effect. for Allah is to all people most
surely full of kindness, most merciful.” [2:143]

The Quran is the word of Allah and Ahlul Bayt are the ones who explain it.
See hadith al-Thaqalain, which even narrated in Sahih Muslim:
http://al-islam.org/thaqalayn/nontl/index.HTM

Wassalam

A word to the wise......there is a reason why Watcher and others that chose to enter into fights with him are not here.

There will be less patience given to anyone that wants to start that mud-slinging again.

Same old rusty thing with a new name.

Please no criticism.


**~~~Performace of good DEEDS avoids the evil ending.~~~

He, who advises for the GOOD, is similar (in rewards)to the doer of it.**
(Sahih Al-Jami 3797 & 3399 resp.)

[quote]
Originally posted by Admin:
**A word to the wise......there is a reason why Watcher and others that chose to enter into fights with him are not here.

There will be less patience given to anyone that wants to start that mud-slinging again.

**
[/quote]

Where are those guppy ppl who goes by name sherazz and watcher?..Did somebody banned them?..Can they join again after some period of suspension?..

sherrybaba…

U suspect right. While sherazz bhai is doing ‘whatever’ or ‘whoever’, the shair uncle is doing ‘cool’ things. Desert Fox, decided to desert us. This leaves out the Watcher brother. Eventually I expect he will come back, one way or the other. Now, I wouldn’t want to give out any other info, which will compromise my brothers.

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/wink.gif

A word of advise to all from me:
Take some time, and read the thread http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/001660.html .

Also don’t get too emotional if someone doesn’t understand your point. Also, don’t automatically assume that the other person is deficient in knowledge or dis-believer/kaffir/ignorant. For every episode in history there can be more than one interpretation. For every bit of evidence there may be more than one way to look at it. Some ppl you have come across may be blunt and so you may have been offended. The others read your postings and think. Whether they agree to them is not important. That you conveyed your message is important. Same goes for you. If you come across a message with which you don’t agree at all or which makes you angry; don’t respond immediately. Think abt it in a cool manner and try to analyze what is the other person saying and from where is he coming from. You don’t have to agree to the other’s point of view but when you start understanding how the other person is thinking, that day you will sleep peacefully.

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif

I already said the same thing to another brother of mine in email, and I thought I should just share these pearls of wisdom with the rest of you. :slight_smile:

Assalam o Alaikum!

Somehow I failed to interpret these two sentences of simple Inglish


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Admin i wonder if u read the whole thing?
and its common coutesy to reply email messages

O yea, I miss Watcher. Man, have a new nick man, something like Cool Watcher or Paki Watcher and jump in.

And Degas are you on bar as well?, I hope not.

Admin if this guy with multiple-nick-disorder is striving and thriving on gupshup grounds, then why not watcher.

Despite he apologized and expressed regret in open, why he is still on prohibition? While this Cool guy (other possible nicks, Humble, Shair30, Ozman, moody, Janu, whoever, lollypop, azam, wadi, Dr Chilli, dr.etc etc) is still creeping around?

thankyou,

discriminatively yours,

‘Zalim