Answering Robby

Robby, thank you for posting that link to hinduism and Brahma’s incestual nature. If true it is indeed sickening. I had no clue, but then I don’t follow any mythology. However there are other hindus here, like Matsui, who could have been into incest thinking it’s the correct thing to do - so you have saved them!

I would also like to point out to you that hinduism is not ‘based on incest’. Just like Islam is not based on paedophilia because your prophet married a 6yr old girl.

Luckily for us hinduism comes inbuilt with The Great Escape Valve- you can take it or leave it, pick and choose, debate it till death.

I myself follow Budhism, which is basically what the Geeta says, and that’s it. I am extremely lucky that I belong to a faith which has allowed me to grow as a person without hindering me with fear of hellfire and
brimstone if one questions or leaves the faith.

Which forms my question to you - how much freedom do muslims have to reject, renounce or debate Islam? I have read numerous testimonies of muslims who have left Islam, sickened with it’s violent and cultist message, but too afraid to speak out. I have freely admitted that hindu mythology of the above Brahma kind is rubbish, do you have the freedom and honesty to do that? I post below one testimonial from a muslim -

and an excerpt -

It became obvious to me that Muslims are accepted by all the people of the world yet our prophet wants us to hate them, to disassociate ourselves from them, to force them into our way of life or kill them, subdue them and make them pay Jizya. How silly! How pathetic! How inhumane! No wonder there is so much inexplicable hate of the West and of the Jews among Muslims. It was Muhammad who inseminated the hate and the distrust of the non-believers among his followers. How Muslims can ever integrate with other nations while holding these hateful massages of Quran as the words of God?

There are many Muslims who immigrate to non-Muslim countries and are received with open arms. Many of them get into politics and become part of the ruling elite. We suffer no discrimination in the non-Islamic countries. But see how our holy prophet tells us to deal with non-Muslims were we are the majority.

There is much more. And all of these unbelievers say the same thing, leading me to believe that perhaps muslims who believe are as ‘backward’ as hindus who believe in brahma.

hey karina :wave:

umm.. i know robby did start the other thread.. lekin do we need to bash each others religions?

there are many people who have left Islam, chritianity, hinduism etc and have found peace in another religion… but there are many more who have stayed with theirs.. and obviously both parties have very different views about their faith.. lekin it doesnt mean we form our opinion about something based soley on someone else’s opinion.. haina? :slight_smile:

im sorry on robby’s behalf that he posted some dirt about hinduism.. lekin yeah i dont think its good to throw something back in his face like that too… i know what ur trying to say but im really sorry… i dont support the argument this time :flower1:

Sadzz, I am truly sorry if I hurt your feelings.

Ok, I’ll be honest, I do not mind the link Robby provided because disclosure is not ALWAYS a bad thing. What I do mind is his very ignorant statement that hinduism is BASED on incest. Also pls try to understand that I did want to present another picture of hinduism to dispel the terrible picture Robby had created - anyone would do that.

Anyway, I was not planning on taking it further even if he had replied.

And Sadzz, here’s a flower for you.:slight_smile: :flower1:

awww nahin im not offended or hurt at all :) i just didnt want other people to come here first and start backlashing... u know how it is haina?

ofcourse hinduism isnt based on incest.. but u know some people cant help making such silly statements.. just like the way people say that Islam preaches violence and hate... when Islam actually means peace... how sad haina? :) and thanx for the flower.... honestly im not offended at all

Good, great.

Yes, you're right. Moral of story is: a good lawyer can make any religion look absurd and not fit for human consumption, and a faithful follower can make the same look wonderful.

Sadzz, you love Islam and I love my religion. That should be enough.:)

^ exactly karina :k:

actually… i love all religions as they give a person identity.. but yes i follow Islam as it makes me feel alive :slight_smile:

Karina bibi, religion is a set of rules. Once you define the limits there is no freedom beyond those boundaries. I do not think you properly understand hinduism or you would not have made the hilarious (to me) statement about picking and choosing.

Just like any other religion Islam has a code, if you follow it you are with it, if you dont then you are with them.

If by freedom you mean something which does not change the true essence then yes we have that freedom. That is why you see different sects in Islam, Shias, sunnis, wahabis and others. The differences between the sects are superficial, but they all believe in the same principles. It is not like they pick and chose like OK I will believe in Allah and Prophet, but I will not say namaz. Or I will take the prophet but leave Allah.

I nominate Sadzzz as moderator of the Lifestyles forum(s).

naaaaaaaaaahin… i’d go insane.. but thanks :flower2:

I don't think so. IMHO, you are quite diplomatic in your responses. You aren't offensive and don't get emotional. On top of that, you bestow good advice and provide a balanced and objective view of topics.

Just my two cents.

Karina babes, my apologies for going off topic. However, I do agree with what Sadzzz posted.

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*Originally posted by Ahad Khan: *
Karina bibi, religion is a set of rules. Once you define the limits there is no freedom beyond those boundaries. I do not think you properly understand hinduism or you would not have made the hilarious (to me) statement about picking and choosing.

Just like any other religion Islam has a code, if you follow it you are with it, if you dont then you are with them.

If by freedom you mean something which does not change the true essence then yes we have that freedom. That is why you see different sects in Islam, Shias, sunnis, wahabis and others. The differences between the sects are superficial, but they all believe in the same principles. It is not like they pick and chose like OK I will believe in Allah and Prophet, but I will not say namaz. Or I will take the prophet but leave Allah.
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Ahad, I don't think you understand hinduism to tell me where to get off. You think I find your statements on Islam any less hilarious?

Have you heard the phrase ' bandar kya jane adrak ka swad'? Let us agree that we are both bandars who do not know each others' swad. To you a set of rules is a must, to me the greatness of hinduism is precisely because it is the opposite, a philosophy so magnificent that if understood it can only lead to freedom of the mind from all bondage - and one of the biggest bondages of the mind is ' if I don't do this, god is gonna punish me or I'm bad'.

peace

thanx dude… now im a bit embarrassed :blush:

The earlier thread was closed for a good reason, and so is this one too.