Answer to "NICK"

salaam,

the only diffrence between shia and sunni azaan is that we recite “Ash hadu anna Aliyyan waliyyu Allah”. Its not TOTALLY DIFFRENT as u think it is!

Whilst answering this question, it is befitting to consider the following points:

According to the Holy Qur`an, Ali (p) is mentioned as one of God’s chosen friends.

And likewise in the same verse, it declares his guardianship to the believers where it says:

“Only Ali is your wali and his apostle and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate whilst they bow (performing Ruku).

Both narrations from Sahih and Masaneed of the Sunnis have also mentioned that the holy verse was revealed regarding Ali (p).

Hassan bin Thabit said the following poem:

You are the one who helped the poor whilst bowing, may all the souls be ransomed for you, O best of the bowers.

Therefore God revealed the best guardianship to you and explained it in the clearly defined religious laws.

The honorable prophet said:

“Surely deeds are according to the intentions.”

i.e, the criteria and acceptance of any deed is related to one’s intention.

Thus, it is due to this, that the guardianship of Ali (p) is one of the fundamentals of which the Quran has also clearly testified, however the previous verse of the Holy Quran does not state it to be part of the Adhan although there is no prohibition to mention it, and is regarded in the same manner as bearing witness to the honorable prophet (p) and his messenger ship.

What is significant to mention here is the fact that if at all, adding a sentence in the Adhan is not recommended, and the Shia are criticized for this matter, then how can the following instances be justified:

According to reliable sources of history, “Hayya ala khairil amal” was, and still is part of the Adhan, whilst this practice was removed at the time of the second caliph ( thinking that people will no longer go towards ‘struggle’ by hearing that prayers is the best action.)

The phrase, “As-salatu Khairun min al-Noum”was not part of the Adhan during the prophet’s time and was added later on. Thus Shafe’e in his book “Al-om’says:

“I dislike to say “As-salatu……..” because Aba-Mahthoora (a narrator) didn’t mention in his narration.’

(Maidah: 55)

The sources that prove this revelation is unanimous, therefore, we shall only mention a few of the well-known ones.

Tafseer Al-tabari vol.6 p.186

Ahkam Al-Qur`an (Tafseer Al-Jasas) vol.2, p.542.

Tafseer Al-Baizawi, vol.1 p.345.

Al-Dour Al-Manthoor, vol.2 p.293

Kanz Al-A’aml, Kitab Al-Salat, vol.4 p.266 from Al-Tabarani “Bilal was calling for the morning prayer and used to say,’Hayya ala Khairil amal’ Sunnan Al-Baihaqi, vol.1 p.424, 425; and Muwata Malik, vol.1 p. 93

Kanz Al-Irfan, vol.2 p.158, “Al-Sirat Al-Mustaqeem wa Jawahir Al-Akhbar wal Aathar” vol.2 p.192, Sharh Al- tajreed (Ghushchee), subject of Imamat p.484: “He ascended the pulpit and said, ‘O people, three (things) were present at the time of the prophet (p), I forbid, prohibit and punish for (committing) them, and they are temporary marriage, (Mut’a of pilgrimage) and ‘Hayya ala khairil amal’.

Kanz Al-A’amal, Kitab Al-Salat, vol.4, p.270.

‘Dalael Al-Sidq’ vol.3 2nd section p.97.

I’d like to finish off with a sher, which goes:

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FAQAT ZABAAN SAY NIZZAM-e-JAHAN NA BADLAY GA
ALI (as) KO DIL SAY PUKARO TOU INQUILAAB AAE
**

So, Ali is ranked higher than Prophet Mohammad?

Ali is your wali??? [hey it rhymes]

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you are doing it again watcher..instead of learning somthing from it, u are giving us ur opinions..how many times we told u that Ali is not higher then Prophet..maybe because we have no respect for ur khalifas u always come up with this..and u are aware why we have no respect for them..we just took Imam Ali’s side..any sensible and logical person can tell u which side was to follow after Prophet

I asked a question sherazz, I am not doing it again. My opinion does not matter when we talk about quran and hadith. ONLY QURAN and sunnah goes!

When you respect someone, you keep them to their level. Ali is your wali?

We should go on the foot steps of MOhammad, and follow the doctrine of Allah. Anyhow, I don’t want to drag this into endless debate on who should we follow: Allah/MOhammad or someone else.

Ali is your wali? WHat does that mean?

PS: Read my post carefuly, I did not give you my opinion, I asked you a question. ?]

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Take it easy.


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I’ll give you my answer in many way(one way is not sutible for you)

1.Allah-Mohammed-Ali!

2.So allah first!
Mohammed seconed!
Ali third!

3.Allah is above Mohammed and Mohammed is above ali

4.allah=god
Mohammed=god’s sent prophet
Ali=Allahs sent imam!

None is like Allah
No human is like Mohammed
no one after the prophet is like ali!


OUR LORD! WE HAVE INDEED HEARD THE VOICE OF A CRIER(MESSENGER)CALLING TO THE FAITH: “BELIVE IN YOUR LORD” SO WE BELIVED. OUR LORD! FORGIVE US THEN OUR SINS, AND REMOVE FROM US OUR EVIL DEEDS, AND CAUSE US DIE ALONG WITH THE VIRTUOUS

(3:193)

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2:107
107. Know you not that it is Allah to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth? And besides Allah you have neither any Wali (protector or guardian) nor any helper.
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Originally posted by CoolDude:
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2:107
107. Know you not that it is Allah to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth? And besides Allah you have neither any Wali (protector or guardian) nor any helper.
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Thanks cooldude.I'm still trying to read ramesha's post.Once I fininsh it i'll have something concrete to say about it.But right now it seems she might be distorting meaning of the aayats of the Quran.
BTW where did nick make that post ramesha is quoting.I missed it totally.

[This message has been edited by Ahmed (edited November 20, 2000).]

You guyz will never understand the meaning of wali!

wali acctually mean helper and as all knows allah is the only helper!

sooooo.....Allah has always sent people to help his servants=and hazrat ali is one of them!


OUR LORD! WE HAVE INDEED HEARD THE VOICE OF A CRIER(MESSENGER)CALLING TO THE FAITH: "BELIVE IN YOUR LORD" SO WE BELIVED. OUR LORD! FORGIVE US THEN OUR SINS, AND REMOVE FROM US OUR EVIL DEEDS, AND CAUSE US DIE ALONG WITH THE VIRTUOUS

(3:193)

Ali-un-wali-ullah (meaning Ali is sent by Allah to help muslims)NOT ALI IS WALI(meaning ali is helper)sooo I guess that clears it all!

Rameesha you should not say Ali is wali!

[This message has been edited by Shah Jahan (edited November 20, 2000).]

Shah Jahan: thanks for clearing up that one. I mentioned this before and was told that Ali is the Wali of Allah, I think the word Wali may be being misinterpreted.

I have the utmost respect for Hazrat Ali, I don't know why people make it sound like no one has respect from him apart from Shias!

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Originally posted by ramesha:
** salaam,

“Only Ali is your wali and his apostle and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate whilst they bow (performing Ruku).


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Dont you mean Allah is your wali!

Look at the verse again and you will read
"only Allah is your wali"

Sorry to burst your bubble but Ali is not our wali(not our ony wali)


OUR LORD! WE HAVE INDEED HEARD THE VOICE OF A CRIER(MESSENGER)CALLING TO THE FAITH: "BELIVE IN YOUR LORD" SO WE BELIVED. OUR LORD! FORGIVE US THEN OUR SINS, AND REMOVE FROM US OUR EVIL DEEDS, AND CAUSE US DIE ALONG WITH THE VIRTUOUS

(3:193)

Thanx for pointing it out shah jahan. Its not easy to type that lot. My apologiesto the readers. sorry

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Why is it: “Ash hadu anna Aliyyan waliyyu Allah”

-and

Why not: “Ash hadu anna Mohammadur rasool Allah”
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The watcher,
I think they say both.

hey i really don't know wat the difference is

my ques was base on the shia azan i use to listen from the shia mosque which use to be close to my house n it was way long then ours. it was just makin me wonder

n ramesha wat about the other part of my ques

n ramesha u said According to the Holy Qur`an, Ali (p) is mentioned as one of God’s chosen friends.

but u forgot to tell us where in Quran it is said

Try to follow Prophet's pbuh sunnah respect those whom He pbuh respected and love those whom He pbuh loved

one more thing It is known that prophet pbuh never made a mistake even before the wahi was sent on him.

i cannot figure out this how Allah's last prophet could have made mistake in choosing His (pbuh) friends n friends of Islam.

explain this to me my shia friends

Prophet (PBUH) never in his life made any mistake. So, essentially what is being implied here by our Shia brothers is that Prophet (PBUH) was mistaken in choosing His (PBUH) trusted companions, so in other words He (PBUH) did not know what he was doing. This also give rise to an other question, if Prophet's (PBUH)trusted companions were not reliable then shia brothers are doubting their faith. So, as to say Shia are judging the faith of all the trusted companions of our beloved Messenger (PBUH).

Imam Hussain knew he will die in Karbala..then why did he go to karbala for? yazid didnt force Him to leave his house and come to karbala..All because of the will of Allah..History shows us these khalifas made my Bibi Fatima angry..the beloved daughter of our Prophet..its accepted by both shia and sunnis but sunnis are really ignorant to still respect such people

Just curious as to how did Hazrat Imam Hussain (RA) knew the place of his Shahadat, this is the one of the most guarded secrets of ALLAH (SWT). Not even MALIK -AL- MOT know any thing about when and where he is suppose to take a life of a certain Insaan until ALLAH (SWT) orders him. Since Prophet (PBUH) was the last and final Messenger (PBUH), the revelations from ALLAH (SWT) had already stopped. So, can you please answer how did He (RA) knew such a secret. Kindly back all of your arguments up with “DALEEL –E-ROSHAN”, hopefully you are familiar with the Arabic term “DALEEL”.

brother musalman i dont really think u even care to know..Prophet used to cry because he knew Hussain will save Islam in Karbala..so Imam Hussain knew this from his childhood..besides there is no point in arguing here because shia have much more love for Ahlebait then any of the sunni and Family is mentioned in Quran as well

and btw who is malak ul mot anyway? is he suppose to be higher then our Imam


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