ANP, JUI also behind Zardari in opposing judges’ return

The PPP has support from the coalition partners in the govt, while Nawaz Sharif stands alone. It is even said he is going to compromise on his position as well i.e. cutting terms and powers of CJ, if he wants any sort of restoration of judges.

ANP, JUI also behind Zardari in opposing judges’ return

Thursday, April 24, 2008

Asif Ali Zardari is using the opposition of his junior coalition partners, the Awami National Party (ANP) and Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI), as counterbalance to the deposed judges’ restoration, in his talks with Nawaz Sharif. “Zardari is not alone in resolutely opposing the reinstatement of sacked chief justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry but has the support of ANP and JUI of Maulana Fazlur Rehman,” a source told The News. He said that Zardari informed the PML-N interlocutors in his recent round of discussion with Nawaz Sharif that the ANP and JUI also did not want the return of the deposed judges. It has been widely known that these two parties are unenthusiastic about the reinstatement of the dismissed judges, but what has not been publicly recognised is that Zardari is using their aversion to the deposed justices in his talks with Nawaz Sharif.

“Iftikhar Chaudhry,” a member of the new six-man committee comprising senior PPP and PML-N representatives replied without thinking for a moment when asked to designate the single most important stumbling block hindering a consensus between Zardari and Nawaz on the restoration of the deposed justices.** The member said that in any case, Zardari did not want the return of Iftikhar Chaudhry, as he felt more comfortable with Justice Abdul Hameed Dogar being the head of the Supreme Court and was deeply suspicious of the deposed top judge’s judicial actions after his restoration**. Additionally, the PPP leader did not want to back out from any “commitment” that might annoy any quarter, including the presidency and the United States. Neither the ANP nor the JUI has mostly been involved in the high-level ruling coalition talks on the judges’ question. ANP President Asfandyar Wali has almost stopped speaking publicly on the most ticklish issue while JUI chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman keeps talking about it, showing no soft corner for the deposed judges. But the latter has never been inclined to rock the boat whether the government is headed by Zafarullah Jamali, Shaukat Aziz or Yousuf Raza Gilani. The presidency also counts the ANP and JUI MNAs among the seventy percent of the MPs who, according to a presidential spokesman’s claim, support Pervez Musharraf.

A couple of weeks’ back, Fazlur Rehman met Nawaz Sharif at the latter’s Raiwind farm in Lahore and pleaded against the terminated justices’ return. He tried to persuade the PML-N chief to change his mind or there will be instability. However, his mission did not meet with success. It is believed that he undertook this venture with Zardari’s prior knowledge. Given the PPP chief’s upfront assertion that he doesn’t accept any countdown for reinstatement of the judges, the PML-N, another source said, is now not too sure that it would be able to achieve the implementation of the Murree accord by the cutoff date of April 30 mentioned in it. The PML-N, it now seems, is also prepared to compromise on somewhat delay, beyond the April 30 deadline, in bringing the judges back and is unlikely to react too attackingly on this question. The source said that if the PML-N wants to keep the coalition intact, which it no doubt desires, it would not take its stand to a degree on adhering to the 30-day deadline where its alliance with the PPP falls apart. “It is beyond doubt that we have to realise the commitment of return of the judges by the dotted line, but if it was not possible, we have to live with somewhat delay,” the committee member told this correspondent. Interestingly, despite the fact that there was no worthwhile progress in Tuesday’s Zardari-Nawaz deliberations, the two leaders decided to face the reporters with the aim to dismiss the impression that there was a total stalemate. The factual but aggressive media coverage of their Monday talks forced them to make public statements that the situation was no so dismal. “I think the contentious issues would be sorted out in the deliberations of the committee, which will remain under pressure to conclude its assignment without any delay,” the source said.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=14283

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I have opined again and again on this forum that no one, including Sharif, really want Iftikhar Chaudhry back.

Ifti Chaudhry is too much of a maverick and is a danger to every one (I am talking politicians here, of course). Plus during the last 5 months to a year period, Ifti Chaudhry has become too political and can not now ever be an impartial and effective Chief Justice.

Problem is that Nawaz Sharif cobbled his entire election campaign on the sole issue of restoring judiciary (primarily as a way to get to Mushy), and he is now looking for a way where he satisfies his voters and get out of this nuisance without appearing like a total wimp. No easy task, by any means.

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actually even on this forum, most of Iftikhar choudhry's 'supporters' are quiet now. Maybe its because they were never really his supporters to begin with.

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^
The apparent support for Iftikhar Chaudhury is more to do with people having an anti-Musharraf stance, than any great belief in the abilities of the ex-CJ.

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Resolution on judges immaterial: Fazl

LAHORE: A parliamentary resolution for the restoration of the sacked judges is immaterial and the judicial crisis should be resolved through legislation in parliament, Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam chief Fazlur Rehman said on Saturday

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\04\28\story_28-4-2008_pg1_10

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So the restoration of judges means what? Justice returns to the common man of Pakistan?

Right!!!!!!

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No, it would only mean some PCO Judges would get their cushy jobs back.

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I second that Faisal. I know and I have said that too, an independent and strong judiciary is opium for political setup like one in Pakistan. It is custom made to rape the nation. This is what is happening for last 60 years and it will continue until a revolution. Be it Ghulam Mohammed, Iskandar Mirza, Ayub, Yahya, ZAB, Zia, BB, NS or Altaf, all have f**&^ with jusitce system, cuz the system as it is suites them and nobody wants change. Kabhi hum kabhi tum will continue forever. insaaf woh bhi awaam ko, pagal howe hain kiya.

Its funny that same ch***ya Fazlu was in CJ's rally last year. You all must have seen him, trying to score political points. munaafiq!

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Brother, I do not agree with you. What you think, why NS and leadership of PML(N) become so worried when it seems Iftikhar would not get reinstated or would get reinstated with less power? It is clear that PML(N) agenda is not independent and strong judiciary but reinstatement of Iftikhar. Their agenda is Iftikhar specific. Why?

NS is leader of minority party, have around 25 percent seats in NA, received less than 20 percent votes mostly from one small area of Pakistan. He did not get enough seats or votes to even form any provincial government, let alone talk about reinstatement of any particular Judge. To work for reinstatement of judges or any particular judge is right of PPP. Why should NS and PML(N) worry so much about reinstating of Iftikhar? Have you noticed how NS and PML(N) leadership go banana when anyone talks about not reinstating Iftikhar or reinstating Iftikhar with less judicial power?

Well, fact is that Iftikhar is paid servant of NS. NS wants to use Iftikhar for his political ambitions. Iftikhar once reinstated would be doing everything according to wishes of NS, so that NS could make life of his opponents miserable (well, he would try). We should understand that NS and many in PML(N) have personal enmity with politicians in PPP. In prison, one of NS cronies (whom NS recently tried to give top job in Punjab but could not because Zardari objected) injured Zardari badly and even tried to kill Zardari.

For many in PML(N), martial law is better than PPP rule over Pakistan. Actually, it is PPP leadership that does not like military rule much more than PML. PML(N) thinks that PPP is their main political opponent in Pakistan and for them PPP rule could erode PML standing in Punjab (and also in Pakistan). Many in PML(N) would prefer military rule over PPP rule anytime. What I and many can see clearly is that, NS would use Judiciary to pressurise PPP government and if NS would think that PPP government is getting too strong and popular, then NS would make judiciary confront presidency resulting in another martial law in the country.

Obviously, due to personal grudges, NS may not like to see military rule under Musharraf, but apart of that, believe me, NS and his PML(N) cronies, whatever they say for public consumption, would prefer military rule 100 percent more than PPP rule (even under President Musharraf).

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^ My view is that NS is using Ifti Chaudhry only to get to Mushy. NS has taken the mission of ousting Mushy very personally, unlike Zardari who has less personal bias in this issue. I don't think NS has any love for Iftikhar Chaudhry either. And no one in his right mind believes that NS has any love for supremacy of judiciary (he is the only sitting PM in our history who instructed his goons to launch an all out attack on the SC).

This is just political posturing going on right now. NS and his team is putting pressure on Zardari by making public statements. Same way Zardari came on TV yesterday and said that there are question marks over Mushy. Again, this is political posturing. Zardari is putting pressure on the President. They all want to further their agendas. Artifical dead lines of 30 days or 15 days mean pretty much nothing. Things happen at their own pace.

The reason Nawaz is pressing so hard on judges issue is because he got all his votes based on two point agenda (1) ousting Mushy and (2) restoring judges. He will need all his political skills to get these two accomplished.

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By the way, once Mushy is ousted or completely sidelined, NS and Zardari will part ways too. NS joined AZ only to keep PML-Q and Mushy collaborating with PPP and to avoid isolating PML-N.

Being joined in government is not a great situation for them, and this is actually alienating their vote base. PPP and anti-PPP voters have no love lost for each other. They have fought each other since 1971. The sooner these two parties go their own ways the better it is for them to go back to their vote-base and crystalize their differences. PPP is left of center, secularist party, while PML is right of center more religious party.

Personally, I think the present situation is unsustainable anyway. Pakistan needs a 2+ party system, to keep check on each other. We can't have all these thieves band together. Right now only the animosity towards Mushy is keeping them together.

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Both AZ and ND need each other and both are very well aware of this fact.
Mush is dead meat now, this bangle-seller of Delhi had become insignificant the day he doffed off his monkey uniform. The current chief of the army is the undisputed king now and Mush will remain President as long as he is being supported by his master Kiyani. The main war is between the political parties and the establishment. Pakistan's future is at stake and if the politicians lose this war the future of 160 million people will be very bleak. These 'corrupt' politicians are Pakistan's last hope.

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ANP supports PPP stance

Strongly supporting Asif Ali Zardari’s stance on extension of deadline regarding restoration of judges, ANP on Tuesday underlined that the Constitutional package is the right way in this regard. These views were expressed by ANP Spokesman Zahid Khan while talking to Online on Tuesday. He said that ANP is a firm supporter of independence and supremacy of judiciary. He made it clear that they all want restoration of judges urging there is no harm if there is a delay of few days in this regard. He was of the view that country is passing through tough circumstances stressing not only the judiciary issue is hovering on their minds but mounting inflation, rise in atta prices, power crisis and number of other issues since last many months. He asked lawyers to demonstrate cool mind in the current circumstances as creating anarchy will plunge country into more crisis. ‘We don’t believe in countdown as restoration of judges through Parliament is the right decision’. He further said that we want resolution of all outstanding issues including judiciary in an amicable manner, adding, that the agreement to restore judges within 30 days was between PML-N and PPP, we have nothing to do with it. Parliament is the supreme authority urging the need for all the State institutions to be independent, he said.

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/Apr-2008/30/index2.php