Another victory for the Namoos preservers

When the legal system fails them, they perform the duty themselves. Har ghar sai Qadri niklay ga.

The bolded part also illustrates a less covered aspect of the blasphemy laws, in that how it ensures that potential namoos tainters are damaged economically and their families are bled financially before justice is served to them (within the legal system or outside it)

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while i cannot find words to condemn this horrible act, i must say that pakistani civil society and “liberal facists” have shown a lot of resilience and are actually very vocal against all these atrocities. every passing their job gets harder and dangerous but has not shaken their resolve.
more power to them, i hope someday they will lead the youth.
a big thumbs up to them from me. :k:

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This is what is left of Pakistan.

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This is a horrific situation of taking an Islamic position and perverting it to serve the interests of one group of people - the extremists. It's far too easy to target a minority in Pakistan, but also looks like anyone having any personal disagreement can murder someone under the name of this blasphemy law.

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Lets not forget the role of the government in delivering retribution to the potential blasphemer, by destroying his family economically through the court case, and ensuring that by the time justice was actually served to him outside the court system, his widow and surviving child would also experience the financial consequences of potentially blaspheming the Prophet PBUH.

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A quick question where is the evidence that he was gunned down because of his previous blasphemy?

There is no proof this is a blasphemy issue other than the assumptions of the author.

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And ofcourse those of his family.

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Firstly good grief you are using sify news as a source? How about rediff? :rolleyes: Also it says 90% the same stuff as the Tribune article.

Again I repeat the only evidence that this is related to Blasphemy is that of the author. Hell your quote proves my point. He was sent to jail on fake charges and there was another issue at the centre of the dispute.

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My quote was with respect to the police report filed by the brother genius. Its not just an assumption of the author, its what his family believes.

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I dont believe either the author, or I have claimed to know whether the charge was fake or real. The article pretty consistently says the guy was accused of it, and the headline has blasphemer in quotes, once again indicating his status as an accused. Understandably the family denies it (thus they fought the first case) and therefore they claim its a false charge.

What is the confusion?

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CM, I generally agree with your Center-Right-Pakistani nationalist beliefs, but in this case, I question whether it is appropriate for divine law to be exercised in corrupt Pakistan? I mean if we are talking about that wacko pastor trying to disrespect the Quran, then the blasphemy law is very applicable. A poor christian woman, a drunkard secularist governor of Punjab or a Christian activist/cabinet minister do not qualify as targets. Even in cases of documented Blasphemy, extrajudicial murders are a crime and need to be punished under the constitutional means in place.

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Guilt by association.

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Oh great. Mods trigger happy yet again because the posts disagree with their personal view points :rolleyes:

Ravage it is pretty simple. Nobody has shown any evidence that it was a blasphemy related killing. The only one making the connection is the author of the article without any proof whatsoever.

The family member as you quoted stated that the people who may have killed him were the ones who put him in jail. They used the Blasphemy clause to put him in jail but that was not the dispute.

That is very different from saying he was killed because of the blasphemy he supposedly committed.

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I agree with CM. The article does not conclusively prove the connection. In short A registered a false blasphemy case against B on personal enmity and tried to get him punished that way but when that did not work and B was released without charge, A **decided to take law into his own hands and killed **B because of that same personal enmity or dispute (not necessarily blasphemy which **A **knew was a false charge anyway).

make sense..

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That is one of the main reasons why the blasphemy law is criticised. I dont know what connection you think the author is making that doesnt exist. The only connection made by the author or myself that he was accused of blasphemy, and the relevance of that is affirmed by the family of the murdered person. That there is something else behind the dispute is something I or maybe even the author is not in a position to judge, nor is it clear why that changes anything said in this thread (specifically point to a quote of mine that changes based on the fact that this was a false claim). We're just sticking to the facts. Pretty much all high profile blasphemy cases/murders have involved defendants claiming that the claims were false.

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some more reporting on this case, and another set of namoos preservers comes up.

What would we do without the Jamaat’s vigilance for namoos protection.

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A nice, in-depth profile of the lives of namoos destroyers and their families after justice has been served to them. Of particular interest are the families of people burnt alive after a molvi sahab, exercising his civil liberties, urged the faithful to do the needful. Its notable that the government has pressurized the namoos destroyers to drop the cases, and for the single person who hasnt, the Jamaat-e-Islami is stepping up (as it did in the case of the Pindi namoos destroyer).

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Reverse Swing gets what I am saying. Your rose tinted glasses are on.

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well ravage might be on rose tinted glasses but someone realy need eye glases better put it up in brain instead of eyes.

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If people can't read simple English that is not a concern of mine. Rather a fault of theirs.