Another Pakistani town falls to Taliban

Thanks to the new non-policy for dealing with terrorism, another town falls to Taliban. They should officially start changing the map of Pakistan now that we know that a large part of FATA/NWFP/Balochistan is not under Pakistan’s control anymore.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\06\24\story_24-6-2008_pg1_5

Jandola falls to Baitullah, nine killed

  • Taliban spokesman claims group abducted 10 pro-govt tribesmen

LAHORE: Militants loyal to Taliban commander Baitullah Mehsud captured Jandola, a town at the entrance to the South Waziristan tribal region, on Monday after a battle with pro-government tribesmen, police said.

At least six people, four tribesmen and two militants, were killed in the fighting for control of the town, the gateway to Waziristan, they said. “The Taliban have taken over Jandola,” and taken seven tribesmen hostage, the area’s police chief, Barkat Ullah, told Reuters.

Tribesmen: A Taliban spokesman said nine people, including seven tribesmen, had been killed and the Taliban had abducted 10 pro-government fighters.

Dawn News reported that the Taliban kidnapped nine members from the Nemat Khel tribe, and that the death toll in clashes between tribesmen and Taliban had risen to nine. The channel quoted its sources as saying that the clashes started when the Baitullah Mehsud-led Taliban attacked the house of Turkistan group Deputy Commander Mir Baz Khan in the Saragarh area, Jandola.

Baz Khan is also the chief of a peace committee in the region, the channel said, adding that that a member of the Mir Baz group was killed and three injured in the attack. The Turkistan group claimed that two attackers from the Mehsud group were killed when they returned fire. reuters/daily times monitor

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^ Turkistan group in Pakistan??? Are they representing Uzbekistan or Chinese Turkistan?? In either case their presence in Pakistan would only lead to embarrasment to Pakistani government especially when dealing with Chinese.

Like I have been saying, if we continue to ignore the problem or pretend it's not a problem, even China will turn their backs on us.

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^^

Not really. Pakistan does allow Uzbeks to live in the FATA as long as they register themselves with the authorities. And in this case, these appear to be Pak-government aligned individuals, so one can only assume they are registered aliens.

Well it would not go down easily, especially with Chinese if pakistan gives assylum to any one (ordinary or fighters) from Xinjiang(Chinese/East Turkistan). If they are from Uzbekistan then they might have run off from Islam Karimov's crack down on Islamists in Andizhan and Fergana Valley.

While I doubt that Pakistani would give sanctuary to anti-chinese elements, I'm sure China would prefer East Turkistani separatists to be living in Pakistan than living in East Turkistan.

And given the brutality of Islam Karimov's crackdown, I'd be proud if Pakistani sheltered anyone at all from him.

Nonetheless, given the fact that the Uzbek faction that's classified as a terrorist organization (the IMU, Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan) is linked closely to the Taliban an Al-Qaeda, it's safe to say that any Turkistani faction that's pro Pak-government is not one of the extremist ones that would be an issue to harbour. It's more likely that it's innocent ex-jihadis from the Afghan wars in the 80s and 90s - many of those ended up settling in the FATA where life is more peaceful than Afghanistan.

Well i don't think Pakistani think tank has much sympathies with Uzbek "innocent" ex-jihadis. Remember they are respresented by Raheed Dostum and it is Rasheed Dostum who first sided with occupying Soviets and then was at head locks with pro-Pakistani mujahideens. If i remember it correctly, he was also involved in a School bus hijack in mid 90's. in Islamabad In regards to IMU , they have not much sympathies towards Pakistan either and are involved many bombings, suicide attacks etc. They were declared criminals in their own country, then hanged out with OBL for a while in Afghanistan (Pakistan did prefer their presence there) and then ended up in Pakistan. This might be a fight between the 2 groupings to gain control over the area,or Pakistan might be using them against each other to finish each other off.

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Why is Pakistan the preferred sanctuiary for all the terrorists as well as their victims?

Why is it that large swaths of lands within the western borders open game for anyone who bothers to walk oin and make themselves at home?

Why is it that anytime there is any uprising in any part of the world, Pakistan is in the blacklist sooner or soonest?

What is it about Pakistan which to say the least is the least adherent to Islam in comparison, acquiroing the mantlke of all that's wrong with the violent versions of it?

I no longer can keep track of the battles being fought, sides being taken, stances sought for advantage

Does anyone else know just what the hell Pakistan stands for, wants today?

Leaders are crap, institutions rob, holy men defraud, economy is tanking, friends call it terrorist, enemies call it terrorist

Just what the hell is wrong

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I can't believe that you're already assuming that the pro-government factions are terrorists. Many former Mujahideen DO want to live in peace, by the government's rules, and these include both Pakistani and foreign fighters.

The Pakistan government has always been willing to provide sanctuary to those who wish to now live peacefully - the sole condition being they must register who they are and where they live with the government, so that the government can keep track of them and ensure they are not engaging in militancy inside Afghanistan any longer. The refusal of some foreigners and their local protectors to allow this registration was one of the drivers of recent conflicts there.

This Turkestan faction is a member of a government sponsored peace committee in the region. I see no reason to even suspect them of sinister activity given that they are siding with us against our enemies.

You should feel ashamed for doubting these men who are fighting and embracing martyrdom on OUR behalf, fighting against those who are OUR enemies, putting themselves on the firing line so that OUR loved ones are not threatened.

As these Turkestanis are aligned with our government, and our fighting against the terrorists who are our enemies and who have attacked us in our cities, I see no reason to extend anything but unconditional love to them.

DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan: Islamic militants attacked rival tribesmen near the Afghan border in Pakistan’s volatile northwest in a battle that killed 16 people, Pakistani officials said Tuesday.

The latest unrest near the South Waziristan tribal region will likely add to the woes of Pakistan’s new government, which has sought to strike peace deals with militants operating in the northwest.

Afghan and U.S. officials have repeatedly accused militants of orchestrating attacks inside Afghanistan from Pakistan’s often-lawless tribal areas.

Pakistan’s top militant leader, Baitullah Mehsud, is based in the rugged region.
The violence began Monday night when fighters attacked villages outside the town of Jandola, near South Waziristan, army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas said, providing no further details.

After that attack, fighting broke out between thousands of Mehsud’s fighters and members of a rival faction in the area, resident Mohammed Khalil said.

Khalil said he saw six dead bodies in a field near the home of Turkistan Bitani, leader of a pro-government faction that is opposed to Mehsud.

Militants took up positions Tuesday on the hills near Jandola, seized control of the town’s bazaar and made announcements from loudspeakers on pickup trucks urging residents to remain peaceful, according to an intelligence official who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of his job.

The fighting killed 16 people, he said.

Khalid Mahsud, a Mehsud loyalist, said his side took 36 captives from Bitani’s faction. He said that 12 people were killed in the fighting, four of them from his side.

A senior military official said later Tuesday that fighting in the area had ended after the two sides disengaged and a planned military operation was canceled. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the military was not involved in the conflict.

Shah Zaman, a local businessman, also reported calm. “There is no gunfire at the moment,” he said.

The intelligence official said tribal elders were negotiating a cease-fire and trying to ensure that the situation did not erupt into fighting again.

Security forces have fought intense battles with al-Qaida- and Taliban-linked militants in the area in recent years. The area also has seen clashes between rival militant factions.

Pakistan’s new coalition government has been trying to reach peace deals with militants in the northwest, including South Waziristan.

The new approach is a rebuke to the strong-arm tactics of President Pervez Musharraf, who had relied heavily on the army to target militants. U.S. officials have expressed concerns that any peace accords will allow militants to regroup and gain strength.

In violence elsewhere in the northwest Tuesday, militants attacked a military convoy in the Swat Valley, drawing retaliatory fire from troops that killed one attacker, a local army spokesman said on condition of anonymity, citing military policy.

The attack in Swat, a former tourist destination, came despite a peace accord between the government and pro-Taliban militants in the mountain region.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/06/24/asia/AS-GEN-Pakistan-Militant-Attack.php


Pakistani authorities are again managing the situation wrong, siding/making deals with one rival group and rebuffing the other. It’s like playing fuel with the fire. This ends up in fighting between the 2 rival groups, where Pakistan has made deals with one of the them. Both of them are core militants and were involved in the destructive activities. These policies are just like playing with the emotions of the fellow countrymen and throwing dust into eyes of the naive.

Read: FATA

Letting tribals rule their own land withouth Pakistani rules/control resulted in permitting them whatever they want. They can keep anyone as "guest", even any Pakistani criminal can run to FATA and take refuge so why not international terrorists do the same? Its high time Pakistan abolish any agreement with FATA, either they live with us or alone.

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They're all terrorists of different shades and kind. Jihadis cannot live in peace with anyone, even themselves.

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Mad Scientist

There is no "peaceful" jihadi. Even "pro-government" and "registered" groups like those belonging to Maulvi Nazir have sent men to fight in Afghanistan.

Pakistan is becoming and international joke with groups of armed men forming parallel governments everywhere. We have to kill ALL mujahideen leaders and make it clear that anyone who LEADS a group will be killed immediately. Then we can negotiate.

Instead, our army seems to be wearing bangles and runs away at the sight of these ragtag bunch of barbarians.

what, you don't know what is wrong? it is so simple and clear that even every Pakistani knows what is wrong and you don't know?

I will give you a clue. Easy one.

You reap what you sow.

samja?

This is more clarifying now. It seems that the name of Chief of Bhittani group is Commander Turkistan.

TANK, June 24: Tanks and armoured personnel carriers rolled into the Frontier Region of Jandola on Tuesday after the area fell to supporters of Baitullah Mehsud.Helicopter gunships also bombed suspected locations of militants in the area, adjacent to the South Waziristan tribal region, but there were no casualties.

Baitullah’s men took control of Jandola town, Soor Kali and Kari Wam on Monday after heavy clashes with Bhittani tribesmen.Tank DCO Berkatullah Marwat told reporters that the death toll had reached 15 in the ongoing clashes between the warring groups and 35 houses had been burnt.

The clashes erupted after Baitullah’s men attacked the house of peace committee head, Commander Turkistan, in the Soor Ghar area. They also set on fire houses of several peace committee members. Mr Turkistan had won the government backing after he challenged the writ of Baitullah’s supporters in the area. He is reported to have taken shelter in a paramilitary forces’ fort in Jandola.

Sources said the Baitullah’s men had taken hostage 27 elders of Minshamel clan, a sub-section of the Bhittani tribe.Security forces, backed by tanks and APCs, were heading to the Manzai Fort in Jandola, triggering speculations about a military operation in the area.

http://www.dawn.com/2008/06/25/top3.htm

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Strange name. And here are some more extra-judicial executions.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\06\25\story_25-6-2008_pg1_6

Taliban execute eight ‘criminals’

HANGU: Eight dead bodies of alleged criminals were found in the Aurakzai Agency, political administration said on Tuesday. The Taliban executed six alleged criminals in the agency and left their bodies in Ghalju Bazaar late on Monday, the sources said. The local Taliban had given out a warning that criminal activity be stopped in the area by June 1. Meanwhile, another two bodies of alleged kidnappers executed by the Taliban were found in the Sangra area of the agency. staff report

But some slightly positive news:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\06\25\story_25-6-2008_pg1_5

Taliban pulling out of Jandola

PESHAWAR: Taliban militants began withdrawing from Jandola on Tuesday, a government and a security official said. “The situation has improved. There has been no untoward incident today and they’re moving out,” Barkatullah, the top government officer in the region, told Reuters. A security official said the militants were pulling out after a government threat to launch an offensive against them. Meanwhile, according to APP a representative jirga has been constituted to end the three-days standoff, Barkatullah said. agencies

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^ Ya, i know strange name and it looks like Peshawar is next. Their forces are marching towards Peshawar now. Fall of Peshawar would be catastrophic.

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And I can very well see a Tet offensive like scenario playing out. Even if it fails for the taliban, our media will turn into a victory for them just like the Tet offensive for Americans in vietnam.

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And now they have killed 22 of those they had kidnapped.

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WANA: Extremists in South Waziristan have killed twenty-two members of peace committee.

Their bodies have been recovered from Kariwam area in Jandola on Wednesday. Eight members are still reported missing. The deceased were belonged to Naimat Khel tribe.

Extremists had kidnapped 30 members of the peace committee on Tuesday after a clash in South Waziristan in which 12 were killed and 15 sustained injuries.

Situation becomes tense in the area after the recovery of the bodies.

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Peace committee, ironic and sad.