Western reporters are just now discovering the wonders of tribal feudalism
And they are already aware of the wonders of the caste system and its brutalities on the common man…
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Mullahs are a product of the mentality that creates such tribal lameness, why would they challenge it? Now real religeous leaders and scholars would condemn this type of crap and they do that, but we have far few of them than kath-mullas.
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This was discussed at length right here (and since has vanished). Long story short, it appears that the police stopped this farce wedding.
Settlement of "qisaas" (blood money) in monetary terms is acceptable, but women-folk are not a commodity. No sane mind would accept the logic of some degenerated tribal people who consider their women as their property to dispose off as a bargaining chip, in case of a dispute.
I don't blame Pakistan for this embarsassment as Mr. Aahmad said so.
These tribals exists before Pakistan came into being. How come Pakistan gonna end this?
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Originally posted by NYAhmadi:
It makes me wonder why Mullahs keep quiet about such matters? They pick fights with those who are weak and cannot fight back, but they will never have balls to challenge the tribal backwardness. They want singers to stop singing, dancers to stop dancing, but God forbid they should ask these backward Tribesmen to behave like humans.
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You are right brother... Not just the mollahs, but virtually the entire community that supports them go quiet...
Actually, mollahs cant afford to speak out, since they already have minimal support amongst the people.
ah brown boy aahmed is here harping about Pakistan's embarrasment so long after this story??? whats up brownie still trying to wash the colour off???? "Your land" remember???
Look in the mirror ‘kitchen knife’. Note especially the last sentence.
Law student gangraped at Delhi University
NEW DELHI: A 24-year-old woman studying at the law faculty of prestigious Delhi University was abducted from the sprawling campus and gangraped by four men, police said Thursday. The law student was forced into a Maruti car on Tuesday and repeatedly raped in the moving vehicle after her cycle-rickshaw broke down in front of Delhi University’s Kirori Mal College, according to police.
The woman was released by her captors in Roop Nagar, near the university campus, after the two-hour ordeal, police said, according to reports in the local media. The Indian Express newspaper said the victim had told police she had been gangraped in similar circumstances on April 8 but had been too frightened to file a complaint after receiving threats and abusive emails.
“It does appear from the circumstantial evidence that the two incidents are connected,” the daily said. According, to figures compiled by the Indian ministry of women and child development in 2000, on average a woman is raped every hour in India. A report in May by London-based human rights watchdogAmnesty International said that far from halting acts of brutality against Indian women, the authorities were often complicit in the violence or turned a blind eye.
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It's up to the government to enforce the law (whatever that is) not the mullahs. As far as I'm concerned the buck stops right there.
Aurat ka wajood ek mazak ban kar reh gaya hai. Shayad in kambakat mardo ko apney jisam ki piyaas key ilawa aur koi kaam nahee. Aurat kia chahati hai us key kia armaan aur khawahishat hain, in ko janana in zalimo key liey zaroori nahee...
and i am not surprise to see only MEN replying to this post *sigh
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More great examples of what we have become.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2002/08/04/MN111272.DTL
Women’s plight stirs Pakistan
High-profile cases arouse outrage against abuses of male-run society
Juliette Terzieff, Chronicle Foreign Service Sunday, August 4, 2002
Islamabad, Pakistan – Shumaira won’t talk to strangers. She demurely responds to elders with respect. She rarely ventures outside, opting to draw and read. Her caregivers characterize her as well-behaved and bright.
But the skinny 11-year-old girl is terrified.
Shumaira ran away from home nine months ago after her stepfather and his friend raped her repeatedly. Pakistani police picked the brown-eyed girl off the streets and brought her to a women’s shelter called the Sach (“Truth”) Foundation.
Authorities immediately registered a criminal complaint against the two men,
but little progress has been made in the investigation. Shumaira’s only witness is her mother. Under Pakistani law, a woman’s testimony carries no weight, and the crime of rape requires four Muslim male witnesses for conviction.
Shumaira’s plight is all too common here. Thousands of girls and women are abused by their fathers, husbands and in-laws daily. Almost 50 percent of women who report rape wind up in prison under Pakistan’s harsh hudood laws, which criminalize extramarital relations between men and women.
Moreover, social stigma, poor legal protection, feudal class systems and a lack of knowledge about the few rights women do have cause most victims to forgo reporting rape crimes.
Tribal law and custom dominate in Pakistan, as they have for hundreds of years. The hudood laws are complemented by statutes known as qisas and diyat, which stipulate equal punishment for the crime and compensation payable to the victims or their legal heirs, respectively. Such laws make murder a crime against the individual – not the state – and can be a de facto license to kill.
But in recent months, Pakistani society has been in turmoil over several high-profile cases, leading to calls to reform the restrictive laws that limit women’s rights.
Bowing to public outrage, a judge freed Zafran Bibi from a death sentence in June that had been imposed after she became pregnant by a rapist.
That same month, a local tribal council ordered Mukhtaran Bibi (no relation to Zafran) to be publicly gang-raped by four men as punishment for an alleged dishonorable act committed by her younger brother.
Public outrage over the gang-rape case led prosecutors to seek the death penalty for the four accused rapists and jail terms on criminal negligence charges for 10 council members and police officers who knew about the incident but did not act to prevent it.
At their trial Saturday in Dera Hazi Khan, Bibi testified in a firm voice that she begged the men not to rape her, pleading with them that “I have done nothing to harm your family.”
With her face covered with a black shawl, she said that when she appeared before the tribal council at her uncle’s request to “apologize” for the incident involving her brother, an elder of the council . . . said that ‘Since the girl has come here, therefore, we should pardon her.’ . . . But suddenly a man stood and said, ‘We will rape her.’ "
The defense will cross-examine Bibi on Monday.
In another highly publicized incident just two weeks ago, four men convicted of a double murder bargained for clemency with families of their victims. To escape death by hanging, they agreed to pay $130,000 and give eight of their daughters away in marriage to the victims’ families.
An outcry occurred as news broke that the youngest girl, a cherub-faced child named Iqra, was only 5, and a 14-year-old named Tasleem Khan was betrothed to a 55-year-old farmer.
“These cases are nothing new. Every day, every hour, women are punished. They are not viewed as human beings with rights, they are viewed as possessions with which to barter and trade,” said the Sach Foundation director,
Halda Selimi.
It is also not unusual in this impoverished, overwhelmingly male-dominated nation of 147 million to see women begging on the streets after the men in their family are incapacitated or incarcerated. Few women outside of the larger cities have any hope of financial independence – and many see a rape of a daughter as the least of their worries.
“They say, ‘So what? My daughter was raped,’ because they are so overwhelmed by economic concerns. Girls have little worth to a poor family to begin with,” said Selimi. “These aren’t stories people want to hear, but they must, and all of us have to face up to what is happening here.”
In recent weeks, doctors, lawyers and businessmen have flooded newspaper offices with letters decrying the treatment of women.
“Much needs to be done to reform our society and its horrifying norms. Until such inhumane injustices are eradicated we have no right to call (Pakistan) an Islamic republic,” Karachi businessman Shafat Ali wrote in the daily newspaper Dawn.
“There has to be a concerted effort by politicians, police, human rights groups and the people of Pakistan to end (these laws) once and for all,” said Insaf Yousifzai, a Rawalpindi-based lawyer. “And the time is now.”
While human rights groups push for reviews of the religious laws, government officials vow to enact legislation against the tribal custom of bartering young women off into marriage with older men.
“Supporters have cowed previous governments from changing the laws by arguing they are Islamic,” said attorney Yousifzai. “Nowhere in Islam does it (condone) abuse of women. And this government now has the public support to root out abuse in the law.”
But at the shelter where Shumaira has found refuge, workers there say one of the saddest aspects of the case is that her mother comes repeatedly bringing her other children and asking that Shumaira withdraw the charges and come home. After each visit, they say, Shumaira is torn between love for her siblings and fear of returning to her stepfather’s house.
“After their visit, she cries bitterly for days and days,” Selimi said.
Sitting nervously on a metal stool, looking out from under the bangs that cover most of her face, Shumaira refuses to discuss the case against her stepfather. But she seems determined not to go back.
“I like it here,” she said in a soft voice. “I don’t ever want to leave.”
Isnt 5 threads in different forums enough for the sadistic sick voyers of Pakistans inside..ON THE SAME STALE SUBJECT OF TRIBAL WAYS.