Angels

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are angels genderless?
if they have no gender that means they cant reproduce… that means they are in fixed number?
is it true iblees is a fallen angel …

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yes, you are right. :)

as far as your second question is concerned, shaitaan is made of fire while angels are made of light. during the argument with Allah as to why he did NOT bow down to Adam [a.s.], he said because he was superior to Adam because he was made of fire while Adam was made of clay.

Iblees [the first shaitaan] lived on earth and he worshipped Allah so much that he was taken up to the heavens and he used to teach angels the wisdom/Hikmat.

after he refused to bow down to Adam [a.s.] and thus disobeying Allah, he was condemned and sent back to earth along with Adam [a.s.] to live and be each others' enemy till an appointed time as a punishment.

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As far as gender, I'm not sure what the technical answer is but they don't reproduce among themselves. Iblees is a jinn, not an angel.

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Can you guys provide some authentic source which says that Iblees aka azazel is "not" a fallen angel & angels are limited in number as they cant reproduce?

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Iblees = Azazeel [a.s.]? Azazeel [a.s] is an angel. they are created by Allah and they do NOT have meales and females...they do NOT reproduce...this is common understanding. i'm sorry i can't provide you with any references because i don't entertain such requests as i do NOT have a library of Islamic books at home. sorry again.

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if they are genderless then that makes sense but if they have a gender then there must be female angels too & why they arent reproducing just because they are made from light (source for that too please) ?
:konfused:

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they are genderless, if you wanna put it that way.

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see thats the first thing why I thought iblees is a fallen angel because his name was azazeel before all that sajda thing happened & if you look at names then every angel has a "eel" in the end right..... jibraeel... ezikaeel.... israeel etc etc

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Well I've read that Iblees was a jinn, though I can't remember the source exactly. But another characteristic of angels is that they can't disobey so they can't "fall". As far as gender, I told you I don't know what the technical answer is there, but they're closer to male than female. All their names are names of men, e.g. Jibra'il, Mika'il etc. And when they would assume the form of humans, they would assume the form of men.

The names ending with eel don't necessarily imply they're angels. You have a bunch of names that end with the same syllable who aren't angels. To name a few, Habeel, Qabeel, Hizqeel, and as you mentioned, Isra'eel. These are all names of people.

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Ridwan and Maalik are angles and those names don't end with eel.

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Peace bbbcd,

Please see this thread and hope you’ll find the answer :slight_smile:

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-and-scripture/579415-iblisss-offsprings.html

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Angels have no gender (are genderless). To reproduce is not dependent on having gender or being genderless. Allah making things to reproduce through pair of different genders is for material world only, as in this material world, we are tested, and for that all that happens around us has reason (Jawaz) created by Allah.

Else, all who gets created, their existence happens directly due to command of Allah, be they Angels, Jins, Humans or whatever. Whenever Allah wants to create anything he only desires and it get created. We do not know if Angels are fixed in number or not (nor it is necessary to assume that they are fixed in numbers). They keep getting created whenever Allah desires, or if they are fixed in number then also due to desire of Allah.

Name of Iblees is Iblees not Azazeel, though for some, Iblees is also known as Azazeel (probably influence of Jews and Christianity).

Iblees was not angel but was Jinn … [who happened to be amongst Angels due to his piety, and even though command of Allah to bow to Adam (AS) was for Angels, he also got included in the command, as being amongst Angels]:

Quran 18:50 … Behold! We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam": They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord. Will ye then take him and his progeny as protectors rather than Me? And they are enemies to you! Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers!

Reproduction through pairs is material phenomenon, not heavenly phenomenon. I gave you the answer to your question on reproduction, earlier.

There are 4 important angels (that Muslims are told). These 4 angels are:

Jabreel: He is angel of messages. He plays role of ‘communication mean’ between Allah and his prophets.

Israfeel: He would blow the trumpet that would destroy this created world and would start Judgment day.

Azraeel (Malakul-maut): He his angel of death.

Mikaeel: He is in charge of weather and good fortune for people.

As for Iblees (or Azazeel)… he was not angel but was Jinn … answer with reference from Quran is given earlier.

As for fallen angels (as you mentioned), they are not fallen, rather Allah sent them to this world on a mission (for a purpose), and that was to teach humans magic. Their names were Harut and Marut and they are mentioned in Quran.

Quran 2:102 … They followed what the evil ones gave out (falsely) against the power of Solomon: the blasphemers Were, not Solomon, but the evil ones, teaching men Magic, and such things as came down at babylon to the angels Harut and Marut. But neither of these taught anyone (Such things) without saying: "We are only for trial; so do not blaspheme." They learned from them the means to sow discord between man and wife. But they could not thus harm anyone except by Allah's permission. And they learned what harmed them, not what profited them. And they knew that the buyers of (magic) would have no share in the happiness of the Hereafter. And vile was the price for which they did sell their souls, if they but knew!

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" They have designated the angels female, those who are the slaves of the merciful. Were they present to witness their creation? Their witnessing will be written down and they will be asked about it." (43:19)

This does not mean that they are males. This just means that no one knows and people should not wonder.

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^^^ Brother, you are right. Some humans started designating gender to Angels, and Allah in Quran questioned them. Actually, we cannot designate gender to Angels, be that gender male or female.

Even though when we talk of someone, human default language impression is that, when we point towards a being we associate gender (masculine) to that being, and that is nothing to do with designating gender (male or female), but is a default use of language impressions.