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Being all powerful do not mean that He can/will do everything.
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Being all powerful do not mean that He can/will do everything.
Being all powerful doesn't mean that He will Create another God like Himself, you are confusing two qualities of God.
In simple words God has power over all the things He has created.
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Being all powerful doesn't mean that He will Create another God like Himself, you are confusing two qualities of God.
In simple words God has power over all the things He has created.
I accept crow is white. Jao ja kar psyah ka dimaagh khao. :)
I am out of this discussion.
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but why can't a miracle work in the conventions of science?
Caz then..its not a miracle! Miracles are those which are againt the law of nature....for example
A Human child speaking his mother tongue..can be explained on basis of science and logic.....but if...
A Buffalo starts speaking Urdu..............then its a miracle..and human science cannot find an explanation for that.... Plus
Science is our understanding of the environment around us....and Human intellect like any other other species is limited. I don't think that Science can explain everything.
Everything is relative and no intellect can be regarded as abosulte intelligence. Monkeys and some animals have their own limited sciences for example:
Monkeys use depth sticks to cross rivers......and squirells sometimes create straws to suck nectar from grooves...Ants on the other hand know the science n art of growing fungus farms. Humans are on the higher strata...and their science is of higher nature but as i said.....our science and our understanding of nature and environment has also got limits.
and Yes we can try to explain miracles on the basic of science....but then again we cannot have something very concrete. In case of splitting of moon.....there could be many scientific explanations which one would you believe?
Moon Splitted caz of :
- Meteor Hitting
- A Massive Moon Quake
- A Gas Ball from outer space hit it.
- It splitted caz of some Lunar Volcanic eruption
- Another heavenily body passed by its sides...and because of friction and magnetic impulse it got divided.
- Some Massive Solar storm hit it..
- The Rotational forces got out of proportion and it spiltted
- Surface rupture caz of shear forces.
- Surface rupture caz of Tensile forces.
- The Tempertaure of moon got abnormally high and it cracked.
There could be 101 scientific reasons...and one can always put more life in what he believes to be true.
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Yaar picking on little sister here Huh!!!
Anything Allah SWT makes is a creation and cannot be like him. The difference between being created and being the creator. A god created by him with the same powers is still not him because he was created by him. Now don’t bring the rock so big thing …
So whats up LB?
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Yaar I think we need to update the definition of miracle in this thread. Miracle (as we know it in religion) is not something that is against nature or has no scientific explanation (atleast one when it occurs). Its something relative and humanly impossible at the time. Every single phenomenon or thing in this universe runs on the laws established by Allah SWT. Those laws permit randomness, errants and freaks of nature but are within the confines of scientific explanations if we have that knowledge ofcourse. We as humans do not know how to provide the stimulus for such things but Allah SWT does. Simply, miracles are occurences that are controlled, initiated or delegated by Allah SWT not humans. And they occur within the very natural framework of this universe and nature that Allah SWT has created. He created this universe and its natural phenomenon with provisions for conducting such miracles and excercise them when appropriate at his own disgression. Sciences just try to offer an explanation of it based on the knowledge we have acquired about this universe so far. Doesn't mean it is right or wrong. Bottomline is Allah SWT makes it happen by whatever stimulus is needed through whatever natural phenomenon needed.
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^ see, you used a scientific approach here :) excellent analysis!
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Why not? Is God limited?
No, I just dont think God performs Magic tricks... Everything God does must be within the rules of nature. So there isn no miracle without a scientific explanation. The Miracle is in the fact that the phenomenon or said miracle occurs at a particular time, amazing coincidence...
Take the parting of the sea for the Hebrews... Researchers now say that it occured not at the red sea but some other shallow bed of water... A thousand miles away a volcano went off, produced huge tidle wave which sucked out some of the water just in time to allow the Jews to escape but not long enough for the Pharoah... Now thats a miraculous coincidence... But definenetly not beyond science..
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Being all powerful doesn't mean that He will Create another God like Himself, you are confusing two qualities of God.
In simple words God has power over all the things He has created.
Well what about this one "Can God create a stone so large even he cant lift it?"
Thats a head scratcher no?
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Well what about this one "Can God create a stone so large even he cant lift it?"
Thats a head scratcher no?
I don't think its a head scratcher, its dumb question in my opinion.
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I don't think its a head scratcher, its dumb question in my opinion.
It's a philosophical question brother... the problem is that we try to envision God within the confines of our universe... Perhaps in His realm (that includes our universe as well), size and time is of no magnitude at all.
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And my answer to this dumb question is that:
God has power over everything that He has created.
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I don't think its a head scratcher, its dumb question in my opinion.
How come? Try answering it if its so dumb...
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And my answer to this dumb question is that:
God has power over everything that He has created.
Thats not really an answer but ok, whatever...
The only other thing that seems suspicious as far as miracles go, is that they all occured long before the advent of science... There have been no miracles since Science came along, since the enlightenment era for some reason...
It seems suspicious that all the miricles that we know off have come out of the pre scientific era, from relatively primitive societies...
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How come? Try answering it if its so dumb...
Dumb questions cannot be answered...so there is no answer :)
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It's a philosophical question brother... the problem is that we try to envision God within the confines of our universe... Perhaps in His realm (that includes our universe as well), size and time is of no magnitude at all.
Exactly thats why I think its dumb because one way or the other the 'asking' person is gonna say "see He can't do this (create such a stone or lift it)".
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How come? Try answering it if its so dumb...
This question is sort of the circular logic "chicken or egg", the question is built so that the answer in both ways will be "God can't do this (either create such a stone or unable to lift)".
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Dumb questions cannot be answered...so there is no answer :)
Lol... Ok, suite yourself...
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Was killing time yesterday. Anyway out, now gotta catch a flight in an hour.