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He is a liar.
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^This guy doesn't believe in any miracle.
I am no Ahmadi but I don't believe in miracles, there is a scientific explanation for everything, its just that we have not found all the secrets
Yet.
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He is a liar.
"He is a liar" is a quite strong statement, I hope you are basing it on some research.
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I'd like to see a graphical simulation of this phenomenon... I still do not believe this is what the Quran is trying to say. If it is, then you have just proved that God is the Lord of illusions, and I won't take that for an answer.
The moon and sun have also been used to identify the Byzantium and Sassanid Kingdoms...
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Moreover, I think the "lakeer"he's referring to for the extinction of the dinosaurs is the line geologists observed among the layers during excavation... he is mistaking this to the phenomenon of splitting :) Perhaps I should have a word with him and explain the physics of it...
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The whole point of miracles that they defy science. That's what makes them miraculous! The Prophet (pbuh) himself distinguished between miracles and natural scientific phenomenon. That's why when there was an eclipse during the funeral of his infant son, and the Muslims began viewing it as some kind of miraculous event, he chastised them for it.
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I am no Ahmadi but I don't believe in miracles, there is a scientific explanation for everything, its just that we have not found all the secrets Yet.
You don't consider yourself a muslim so both of you are in the same position.
Muslims don't need a scientific explanation for every thing.
"He is a liar" is a quite strong statement, I hope you are basing it on some research.
Research? Yes my research is based on Quran and ahadith.
How would he explain birth of Adam(AS) and Isa(AS), how would he explain Ibrahim(AS)'s miracle in which fire didn't harm him, how would he explain incident of Jonah(AS), how would he explain miracles of Isa(AS) and Musa(AS), and how would he explain all the miracles of Prophet Muhammad(SAW)?
Oh he's dead now....may be you can explain it to me with your scientific knowledge. I'll wait for more lies from you.:)
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Moreover, I think the "lakeer"he's referring to for the extinction of the dinosaurs is the line geologists observed among the layers during excavation... he is mistaking this to the phenomenon of splitting :) Perhaps I should have a word with him and explain the physics of it...
oh its too late now.......he's dead.
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Thats a good point. As I said I am not sure I just wanted to have some opnion on this forum to see what others think of this.
But I heard that right above the Kaba is the Heaven where angels are constantly praising, praying to Allah :swt:. Also I believe the space above Kaba is no fly zone?
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The whole point of miracles that they defy science. That's what makes them miraculous! The Prophet (pbuh) himself distinguished between miracles and natural scientific phenomenon. That's why when there was an eclipse during the funeral of his infant son, and the Muslims began viewing it as some kind of miraculous event, he chastised them for it.
Well said. I also think that miracles do not require scientific explanation, else they are not miracles, anymore
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Yes very well said by maddy.
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Do you have children? If so, I hope you saw them getting born. Just to show an example of it, every bit of detail regarding a child's birth is a miracle. Where does the child gets its consciousness while he is in the mother's womb? There are so many other details. Just look at the child's developmental stages. How he learns to interact with the surroundings. How he learns to latch on to the mother's milk. How he learns to smell, taste, listen, speak. How he learns to sit, craw, and then walk. How he learns to talk. In fact, every instant in our life, if you meditate upon it, you will realize that it is a miracle.
We are living at the mercy of Allah - He feeds us, clothes us, enables our race to survive in this hostile solar system... They are so many things around us my brother that are miracles. Try to break free from the material aspects of life and see around yourself. Break free from the digitial media and tune to the rythum of life. You will be surprised.
I am no Ahmadi but I don't believe in miracles, there is a scientific explanation for everything, its just that we have not found all the secrets
Yet.
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Chalo ji, atleast I can say now kissi darhi walay say to milaya, chahay ghalat hi sahi.
Yeah I agree, total submision requires that.
Same way as you would explain infrared remote controls, mobile phones and flying iron birds to the people who were living 2 century back.
For easier explanation you may call remote control a “magic wand”. 
I have two children and I believe human creation in the womb and all is a wonderful process.
PS:Read the book “hitchhiker’s guide to the galaxy”, the mice are running the show. 
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He is giving a scientific explanation to the moon splitting.
Since scientists have found no evidence that the moon ever split after it formed.
And the splitting of the moon was only seen in Arabia and India.
He says that a giant meteor hit the moon causing dust to fly into space and giving the illusion that the moon was split and since the axis of the moon means that only arabia and india saw it, etc...
Anyways, its interesting
Another interesting explanation would be...Please its very original and like the Qadyani Khaleefa..i am also proposing my scientific explanation:
" Moon was the battle ground for two extra terrestrial species.. i.e the Cling Ons and the Farangies. The parting of the moon was due to a Laser beam fired from Planat Zarcos. Zarcos was ruled by a Tyrant Cling-On cheif. Only a Laser beam could create an illusion of parting of the moon . When the beam struck the moon surface it melted down the crust and produced a very bright glow. The glow made it look as if the moon is parted."
Well my proposed theory seems more scientific than the qadyani king.
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Another interesting explanation would be...Please its very original and like the Qadyani Khaleefa..i am also proposing my scientific explanation:
" Moon was the battle ground for two extra terrestrial species.. i.e the Cling Ons and the Farangies. The parting of the moon was due to a Laser beam fired from Planat Zarcos. Zarcos was ruled by a Tyrant Cling-On cheif. Only a Laser beam could create an illusion of parting of the moon . When the beam struck the moon surface it melted down the crust and produced a very bright glow. The glow made it look as if the moon is parted."
Well my proposed theory seems more scientific than the qadyani king.
LOL.
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Another interesting explanation would be...Please its very original and like the Qadyani Khaleefa..i am also proposing my scientific explanation:
" Moon was the battle ground for two extra terrestrial species.. i.e the Cling Ons and the Farangies. The parting of the moon was due to a Laser beam fired from Planat Zarcos. Zarcos was ruled by a Tyrant Cling-On cheif. Only a Laser beam could create an illusion of parting of the moon . When the beam struck the moon surface it melted down the crust and produced a very bright glow. The glow made it look as if the moon is parted."
Well my proposed theory seems more scientific than the qadyani king.
You dont believe the moon can be hit by an asteroid? The moon is pot marked by thousands of years of collisions...
Either you dont know anything about the moon or you just dont want to face the bitter reality:)
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You don't consider yourself a muslim so both of you are in the same position. Muslims don't need a scientific explanation for every thing.
Research? Yes my research is based on Quran and ahadith.
How would he explain birth of Adam(AS) and Isa(AS), how would he explain Ibrahim(AS)'s miracle in which fire didn't harm him, how would he explain incident of Jonah(AS), how would he explain miracles of Isa(AS) and Musa(AS), and how would he explain all the miracles of Prophet Muhammad(SAW)?
Oh he's dead now....may be you can explain it to me with your scientific knowledge. I'll wait for more lies from you.:)
The koran isnt considered science... The miracles can be explained, assuming they all occured that way...
For example, the parting of the red sea, the plaques of egypt, even the burning bush may have been nothing more then heat emanating from the ground that give the illusion of burning...
While some miricles are just expressions of primitive people trying to explain natural phenomenon, others are simply not true or they are put in to poetic mythic terms, never intended to be taken literaly...
I mean, God cant break the laws of nature... If anything, miracles are nothing more then amazing coincidences...
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The whole point of miracles that they defy science. That's what makes them miraculous! The Prophet (pbuh) himself distinguished between miracles and natural scientific phenomenon. That's why when there was an eclipse during the funeral of his infant son, and the Muslims began viewing it as some kind of miraculous event, he chastised them for it.
Finally, a post worth reading in this thread.
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The koran isnt considered science... The miracles can be explained, assuming they all occured that way...
For example, the parting of the red sea, the plaques of egypt, even the burning bush may have been nothing more then heat emanating from the ground that give the illusion of burning...
While some miricles are just expressions of primitive people trying to explain natural phenomenon, others are simply not true or they are put in to poetic mythic terms, never intended to be taken literaly...
I mean, God cant break the laws of nature... If anything, miracles are nothing more then amazing coincidences...
Why not? Is God limited?