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I am not sure about that....but i think..there will be no sin...not sure again...
Ok no problem, if you are not sure about this thing. But do you think morally its acceptable in any of the muslim countries in this age? If not why not afterall it was acceptable 1400 years back, and religion do not put any restriction on it. I hope you understand what I am trying to say.
Nothing is time independent except change.
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Hey kiddo you started off good, then you brought up a tangent in your thread by attacking america and bringing in pakistan. When somebody showed you a closer look at home you decided to go on to another tanget by attacking India.
I am not saying that our neighbor India has no problems BUT what it has to do with the topic.
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Oh girl..leave it..its your old times habbit that being an originally American ..you always defend your country.....
Divine-Light...Kindly talk to Mamaof3 with respect. Why are you so condescending and demeaning? For all your rantings and ravings, you are a very poor representative of your faith.
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devine_light, you have no right to speak to women the way you do.
for all your kind's generous cowardice, that stages its drama quite often, pay heed to your conscience that knows not what is fleeting from under its very nose.
best,
Dushwari
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divine, when someone speaks the truth against you, instead of getting flared up, try to understand how you can improve. Your attitude in Ramadan, and otherwise, is quiet pathetic.
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Divine Light, im not Hindustani.
Divine light, in honor of Ramadhan, where Muslims are obliged to speak only truth, your a dumbass.
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you are indian and blamming pakistan for jahaiz ...should i tell you what happens in your country where ugly girls are married to good looking man just beacsu the girl's father is willing to give her more **"DAAN" **means jahaiz..
In rajhistan ...people sit outside thier jhonpari..and truk drivers pay them some money and go inside for an hour or two....and after wads infected with HIV !!!!!!!
go and learn something about HIV oriented indian society where every on girl out of 2 is sexually harrased.....:)
at the expense of breaking home institution ..sorry we dont want that.....
because of our "neaighbours" blessings" ..which think that she is super power ..hahah..super power to bhuatn ..not nuclear Pakistan...:)
Oh in abbasaid period ...there were Haroon rasheed corporate limited giving leasing cars and house building funds ...:D
thanks...:) ...why you indians muslims not break chains of slavery ...why you are under hidus for 60 years ....be brave ...:)
Sounds like your country, because im not Indian.
India's AIDs infected population is much less than some of the developed worlds'. What is Pakistan's AIDS population? Or do you guys not register these things?
If every girl out of 2 is sexually harassed; do you have any proof? Or are you following the atypical Pakistani way of giving out idiot quotes out of your ass?
No, you prefer keeping your "home institution" in control by beating your wife. Good idea.
When India invades Pakistan; they will do it as a whole. When Pakistan invades India; she will have to do it through Punjab and Sindh, because NWFP and Balochistan will be in full rebellion against corrupt Pakistani Nation. Enough said.
No, in Abbasid Sultanate, Bankers gave out money to traders and farmers for respective trades; but again, education is lacking in Pakistan. I should just let you go on that one. Its not your fault your corrupt nation didnt educate you.
Be brave because we are Hindus for 60 years? Sorry, your rantings are incoherent.
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Oh girl..leave it..its your old times habbit that being an originally American ..you always defend your country.....
I do??
when i say ..Americans are killing people in iraq and afghanistan....and abusing women in Abu Ghareeb Jail ...you give me justifications....
When?? Where??? I dont think so!!
when i talk about the flaws of western society of not entertaing MIL and FIL ..you also give me justifications...
hmmm. once again Nope. Not me.
when i talk about women liberty loss by west ..even then ..you start giving me illeteracy rates of Pakistan..what a joke !!!!!
Wrong. When you talk about "western society is a society in ruins" THATS when I start talking about literacy rates and per-capita income. I dont understand how a "society in ruins" could remain a superpower with the highest of literacy and per-capita income, ability of poor to obtain health care and insurance etc.
We all know that in West ..specially US ..after 18 ...son or daughter is told that good bye..earn your own and eat ....no marriages ...till "understanding" is not developed ..usually developed after 4 or 5 years when girl has 2 small beautiful babies !!!!!
Really? Funny, I know of NO ONE like this!
most of the women earn thier own..husbands compelled her to do that..she is compelled to share equally in house expenses..etc etc....
Again, I've lived here all my life and again dont know anyone that fits this description.
we all know that ...is this something very secret !!!!
and literacy rates ..wtf..... Literacy again. Like I said, a society in ruins would not be able to educate every single child. THATS wtf.
should i tell you how much we spend on edcation out of our GDP ..and on Health.....
Its obviously not enough. Or the literacy rate would not be pathetic. And the poor would be able to seek health care.
and how much we pay to your beloved country ..World Bank..IMF and other blood sucking donors ..in name of Interest...which is West hallmark...rather zionist which are ruling your country ..Bush is just a puppet sitting in White House....
No one forced Pakistan to take loans which require payment of interest.
If i had means ..i would have blown all US banks..and other interest takers banks ..of West ..due to which every third world country ..has ruined in basic heath and education facilities.....
These banks ..suck the blood of poor people in name of interset ..and then start weeping over bad conditions in 3rd world countries...look into your shirt before pointing fingers on Pakistan !!!!!!
Before you go blowing up those interest charging banks, remember the millions and millions of dollars they send to Pakistan each year in humanitarian aid. This is money thats not only interest free but never has to be repaid. Like I said before, you will find yourself being taken a little more seriously if you stick more closely to reality rather than ignorant west-hating misconception.
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Some people forget that lady who is raising 3 sons can really kick some butt. Mama I hope your foot is not hurting with all this kicking.:biggthumb
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Thank you kindly LB, my foot is fine but my heart is sore! Its a very sad thing to see such ignorance - even with enough sophistication to be able to use a computer, this one has such misguided opinions! Its very heartening though to see some of the responses here...to see that even though there are vast differences between east and west, most are able to accept and overcome. We'll always have the "fringe elements" and the best of people are the ones who strive to help them overcome ignorant assumptions - whether they are pro-west or pro-east. IMHO.
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devine_light, you have no right to speak to women the way you do. for all your kind's generous cowardice, that stages its drama quite often, pay heed to your conscience that knows not what is fleeting from under its very nose.
best,
Dushwari
sorry..i will not allow anybody to degrade my country !!!!!!
Pakistan is not utopia...but i will unleash the "angel" society of US and West...also...
why you people feel shame on this harsh realities..rather shameless realities...
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** sigh **
Your ability to avoid reality and fact are really quite astounding, you should be a politician!
sorry..i will not allow anybody to degrade my country !!!!!!
Ok, where and when did I "degrade your country"?
and do you have any response at all to my previous post?
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^ But it's alright for you to degrade anyone else's country? Mama did a great job of refuting your earlier arguments, but I just wanted to add that with regards to your original post, more of the sahabiyat were not the types of women you describe. They were seen in public frequently, Aishah taught both men and women, others went to war, held businesses, went to the masjid, etc. Purdah is a persian/indian concept.
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You need to learn to see both sides of the story... there is good and bad to every situation. Sure, you can point out 100 things that are wrong with the "west"- but I can point out 100 things wrong with the "east" too- the difference is that I can also point out 100 really GOOD things about the "east"- where are your 100 good things about us?
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Oh girl..leave it..its your old times habbit that being an originally American ..you always defend your country....
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When?? Where??? I dont think so!!
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hmmm. once again Nope. Not me.
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Wrong. When you talk about "western society is a society in ruins" THATS when I start talking about literacy rates and per-capita income. I dont understand how a "society in ruins" could remain a superpower with the highest of literacy and per-capita income, ability of poor to obtain health care and insurance etc.
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excuse me ..i am not in a mood of laughing...OK....super power...hahaha....super power ...i think some guy from Kabul and Baghdad ..will tell you ..the definition ofsuper power...
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We all know that in West ..specially US ..after 18 ...son or daughter is told that good bye..earn your own and eat ....no marriages ...till "understanding" is not developed ..usually developed after 4 or 5 years when girl has 2 small beautiful babies !!!!!
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actually ..its so common that..people dont realize it...:) read US Justice Department Statistics about illegimate children per annum ..plus that every 7 out 10 girl in America loose virginity byreaching age of 16....
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most of the women earn thier own..husbands compelled her to do that..she is compelled to share equally in house expenses..etc etc....
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Again, I've lived here all my life and again dont know anyone that fits this description.
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and literacy rates ..wtf.....
Literacy again. Like I said, a society in ruins would not be able to educate every single child. THATS wtf.
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should i tell you how much we spend on edcation out of our GDP ..and on Health.....
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Its obviously not enough. Or the literacy rate would not be pathetic. And the poor would be able to seek health care.
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blessing of your interest takers corporations...
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No one forced Pakistan to take loans which require payment of interest.
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oh pooh..dont be a child of 6....they have captured the whole world in thier octopus type interest based system...you poor ..living in US cannot go few steps without interest based credit cards system......whats your value is in your country...???zionists rule your country...and people are decieving themselves that they have democracy..hahaha...typical attitude of people being ruled....
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If i had means ..i would have blown all US banks..and other interest takers banks ..of West ..due to which every third world country ..has ruined in basic heath and education facilities.....
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These banks ..suck the blood of poor people in name of interset ..and then start weeping over bad conditions in 3rd world countries...look into your shirt before pointing fingers on Pakistan !!!!!!
Before you go blowing up those interest charging banks, remember the millions and millions of dollars they send to Pakistan each year in humanitarian aid. This is money thats not only interest free but never has to be repaid.
Like I said before, you will find yourself being taken a little more seriously if you stick more closely to reality rather than ignorant west-hating misconception.
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and we payed back them in Shattering Russia..and still paying this cost in suicidal atacks .in pakistan and our 1000 brave soldiers have martyred ...
this war which of US and MUST be fought in UScities ..is being going on in Pakistan.....but inshallah ..you will soon ..see..what israeli lobby do with you...Al qaeda have already make US naked totally in Iraq and Afgahnistan..oh sorry...not US ..."super power "US ...:)
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devine_light, you have no right to speak to women the way you do. for all your kind's generous cowardice, that stages its drama quite often, pay heed to your conscience that knows not what is fleeting from under its very nose.
best,
Dushwari
i am very nice to people in other issues ....
but in matters of** Pakistan and its interest**...i dont care about you..or anybody...!!!
i even not care about MODs....!!!
make this thing clear ..in your mind..once for all...OK...
regards
wasalam..
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Thread closed because it's not being debated in a civill way.