And more die and more die and more die. So sad, yet the govt does nothing. Is this what a secular govt is supposed to do? Is this the functioning of a democractic govt?
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yet the govt does nothing. Is this what a secular govt is supposed to do? Is this the functioning of a democractic govt? <<
all's well, but what is the govt supposed to do in a spontaneous riot? looks to me that you are making up ways to knock democracy ans secularism to justify their absence in your parts.
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yet the govt does nothing. Is this what a secular govt is supposed to do? Is this the functioning of a democractic govt? <<
all's well, but what is the govt supposed to do in a spontaneous riot? looks to me that you are making up ways to knock democracy ans secularism to justify their absence in your parts.
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Not really. The absence in our part is not really an issue, as we really dont mind the lack of secuarlism as a whole. On democracy, let just say the population is divided on the issue. Now there are riots in other parts of the world are their not. But you dont hear of the police opening fire into a crowd of people do you?
if the crowd of people refuse to obey police orders to stop destroying public property and dont respond to air firings, its only natural to fire at the vandals/criminals.
anyway, you didnt answer my question - where does democracy or secularism come in?
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if the crowd of people refuse to obey police orders to stop destroying public property and dont respond to air firings, its only natural to fire at the vandals/criminals.
anyway, you didnt answer my question - where does democracy or secularism come in?
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Firstly you didnt ask this question earlier. Rather you made a comment about how it doesnt exist in Pakistan. In an democractic country, human rights as well as the ability of the police to comit extra-judicial acts is extremely limited. In the US during the LA riots did you hear of the police shooting into a crowd with live ammo?
As for secularism? That was pure flame bait. You cant expect a thread from me and not a flame bait.
In the US during the LA riots did you hear of the police shooting into a crowd with live ammo?<<
the parallel isnt a one to one. there are so many differences in the scenarios, but glad to see that you have started using the US as your yardstick.
As for secularism? That was pure flame bait. You cant expect a thread from me and not a flame bait. <<
substitute "flame bait" with "bull shyt" and i agree perfectly with what you wrote, and would gladly extend that to the rest of your post too.
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In the US during the LA riots did you hear of the police shooting into a crowd with live ammo?
As for secularism? That was pure flame bait. You cant expect a thread from me and not a flame bait.
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CM,
You comparing US with India, you sure you not getting any of that Afghan stuff from NA :)
Well queer i could just have easily used the aggitation and riots in Europe by green peace and the recent anti-globalization marches. They did get out of hand, but you dont hear of the police shooting people. The example is how a democracy can work. Not whether which democracy i choose.
Queer why insult and not accept that your govt has done a pathetic job of the whole situation?
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Queer why insult and not accept that your govt has done a pathetic job of the whole situation?
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Are not insensitive, one-sided and mean-spirited remarks about one's country insults?
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Are not insensitive, one-sided and mean-spirited remarks about one's country insults?
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Insensitive? Who cares really. Next time dont tell the jews what happened in the holocaust was wrong as you would be insensitive to German feelings. Good grief. One-sided? Nah more like what the rest of the world thinks as well. The indian govt has handled the Gujrat fiasco horribly. All the media says so. Heck even indians say so. Mean spirited? How? I was saying that a democracy should never kill its own people and allow the police to open fire in to a group of people with live ammo. How is that mean spirited?
You, along with a few others, type these one-sided, mean-sprited and insensitive remarks post after post after post about either the US or India. It obviously has no other purpose than to insult the citizens of those countries. Perhaps it is because these people have pride in their contries and that bugs you. If others spent the time and energy, they too could come up with post after post after post about your country that point out every negative aspect.
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You, along with a few others, type these one-sided, mean-sprited and insensitive remarks post after post after post about either the US or India. .
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My my my my look who is talking....... Seems like CM did touch a raw nerve after all.... May be you don't read US/Indian news papers....
And maybe you cannot look within and see just as many faults with you and yours as with others. What American or Indian is opening up post after post after post of anti-Pakistan threads? Which non-Pakistani is wasting their time and everyone else's by coming with a useless, negative, mean-spirited, one-sided and insensitive threads? If they do exist, I have no desire to read them.
It hurts dosn't it, don't try to lump US India togther unless of course you are an Indian. In India even an earth quake is the handy work of ISI... God the picture boy................
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Which non-Pakistani is wasting their time and everyone else's by coming with a useless, negative, mean-spirited, one-sided and insensitive threads?
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Like almost all of them, including yourself. But the difference is that most Pakistani's (and even some Indians) post some good factual threads, while others (you know who) just post ' negative, mean-spirited, one-sided and insensitive threads'.
btw I see this these unfortunate kiilgs had something to do with Muslim outrage at what that American Christian fundementalist said about our Prophet (PBUH). Did he not say those things that he was reported to have? Yes, and thats a fact.
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You, along with a few others, type these one-sided, mean-sprited and insensitive remarks post after post after post about either the US or India. It obviously has no other purpose than to insult the citizens of those countries. Perhaps it is because these people have pride in their contries and that bugs you. If others spent the time and energy, they too could come up with post after post after post about *your country that point out every negative aspect.
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You are all talk Seminole. No action whatsoever. Where there is smoke there is fire, and i smell something burning, i wonder what the US has bombed now....or israel. Anyway please show me what posts were insensitive that were not factual as well. I post facts insensitive or not i really dont care. I post what is true. Also in reference to pakistan, i dont think you visit Pak Affairs, because the Indians and Pakistanis do that all the time.
Well queer i could just have easily used the aggitation and riots in Europe by green peace and the recent anti-globalization marches. They did get out of hand, but you dont hear of the police shooting people.<<
did the green peace protesters turn into an unruly mob pelting stones at buildings, public property and setting vehicles on fire? i really dont think so (if you think so, give us a link).
malik73 and CM, posting "factual posts" dont just involve cutting and pasting articles from newspapers. it also includes quoting then within context and not twisting the interpretations to suit your narrow POV. in short, no bullsihtting. now that simple criterion right away rules out 99% of both your posts.
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Like almost all of them, including yourself. But the difference is that most Pakistani's (and even some Indians) post some good factual threads, while others (you know who) just post ' negative, mean-spirited, one-sided and insensitive threads'.
btw I see this these unfortunate kiilgs had something to do with Muslim outrage at what that American Christian fundementalist said about our Prophet (PBUH). Did he not say those things that he was reported to have? Yes, and thats a fact.
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Yep, we all can see who is doing this kind of flame-posting, thanks for fessing up.
Jerry Falwell is an idiot and a bigot, don't expect me to defend him. But this violence in India had more to do with the violent culture between Muslims and Hindus than anything else. From what I read, the violence was a result of Hindu businesses refusing to honor an economic shutdown called by Muslims.
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Well queer i could just have easily used the aggitation and riots in Europe by green peace and the recent anti-globalization marches. They did get out of hand, but you dont hear of the police shooting people.<<
did the green peace protesters turn into an unruly mob pelting stones at buildings, public property and setting vehicles on fire? i really dont think so (if you think so, give us a link).
malik73 and CM, posting "factual posts" dont just involve cutting and pasting articles from newspapers. it also includes quoting then within context and not twisting the interpretations to suit your narrow POV. in short, no bullsihtting. now that simple criterion right away rules out 99% of both your posts.
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Queer you say that Green peace has never destroyed public property? I suggest you read back to the early 90s where Green peace taken control of private and govt property. I would say take hostage things at points. Also the globalization protests have destroyed property.
Ironically your last para requires an objective view point, which we all know you dont have. So why even make such statements?
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As for secularism? That was pure flame bait. You cant expect a thread from me and not a flame bait
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:)
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substitute "flame bait" with "bull shyt" and i agree perfectly with what you wrote
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The story is a bit sketchy, but does sound somewhat as to what used to happen when riots were frequent in South Africa while the people opposed the Apartheid regime.
In all fairness, there do come a point during a riot when the police are expected to protect the lives and property of non-participants - even if this amount to the use of force.
Normally though, police usually have rubber bullets and water canons where the military would use deadly force.