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What I don't understand though is why the Atta crisis? Anyone care to elaborate.
According to the Mush supporters the people of Pakistan, thanks to the new quaid-e-dictator musharraf have now developed a taste for atta and have started eating it, and hence the demand went up, but the supply went down, hence the shortage. All is thanks to Mush uncle.
Re: An ode to Shaukat Aziz
50% of Pakistans marketplace runs on thelas. Its got to contribute for more than just pennies in the economy and resources.
Re: An ode to Shaukat Aziz
According to the Mush supporters the people of Pakistan, thanks to the new quaid-e-dictator musharraf have now developed a taste for atta and have started eating it, and hence the demand went up, but the supply went down, hence the shortage. All is thanks to Mush uncle.
Shortage or actual physical scarcity.
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50% of Pakistans marketplace runs on thelas. Its got to contribute for more than just pennies in the economy and resources.
Are you saying his holiness Musharraf's economic boom is just a bunch of thelaz and kelas?
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That is a lie since I have seen people using kundas to steal electricity and run ACs back in the day. The electricity problem is gone for good Benazir’s second tenure scheme of making electricity from oil while taking kickbacks in the process. Who cares about Pakistan?
Plus, if you don’t allow any dam to be made then what do you expect? Forget kalabagh, there are bombings by BLAs against dam projects in Balochistan. Aziz’s legacy is mixed but it sure is better than the previous PMs we had especially in the nineties.
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Yaar, with regards to the first part of your post, in addition to the unprecedented economic growth under the great leadership of President Musharaf, many people in Pakistan are Elctricity chors (Kunda baaz) and don’t pay for their electricity. Hence, govt is deprived of revenue. Yet, these Kunda Baaz are the first ones to complain when load shedding happens. Either pay up or keep quiet.
With regards to your second part of your post. The Ata crisis is due to shortage in whoe of South Asia. However, people need a bogey man so they compalin about and pin the blame on. BBC NEWS | South Asia | South Asia hit by food shortages
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What I don't understand though is why the Atta crisis? Anyone care to elaborate.
The government buys Atta and distributes it to retailers at a fixed price below fair market value (because fair market value is too high for the ordinary Pakistani to afford). The problem is that Atta is worth more outside Pakistan than inside Pakistan.
Therefore, it makes less sense to sell Atta to the Pakistani government to sell to Pakistan consumers than it does to smuggle the Atta outside, or to hoard it and sell on the black market until the price in Pakistan rises closer to international levels found in Afghanistan and Central Asia.
There's enough Atta inside Pakistan to feed everyone. Right now it is being hoarded and smuggled. Private companies and individuals, in their greed, don't want ordinary Pakistanis to get it because they are hoping to get more money selling it to others.
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That is a lie since I have seen people using kundas to steal electricity and run ACs back in the day.
There are other ways to do it, if only you were an electrician or an electrical engineer, you would understand that Kundaz are no good when you are drawing heavy amperage (with loose contacts), they used other means to run their ACs, and there were other means when they didnt have digital meters. Kundaz are only good for lighter stuff, and yes, when the wind blows, the kundaz move and that can cause serious issues.
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The electricity problem is gone for good Benazir's second tenure scheme of making electricity from oil while taking kickbacks in the process. Who cares about Pakistan?
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Atleast it was gone. Can you say the same for now i.e. Good uncle mushs regime?
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Plus, if you don't allow any dam to be made then what do you expect? Forget kalabagh, there are bombings by BLAs against dam projects in Balochistan.
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lol may I remind you who was opposing the kalabagh dam, it certainly wasnt me.
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Aziz's legacy is mixed but it sure is better than the previous PMs we had especially in the nineties.
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we all know why you and your sidekick praise him so much. To everyone else, 12 hours of a load shedding session is enough to determine who is better than who.
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The government buys Atta and distributes it to retailers at a fixed price below fair market value (because fair market value is too high for the ordinary Pakistani to afford). The problem is that Atta is worth more outside Pakistan than inside Pakistan.
Therefore, it makes less sense to sell Atta to the Pakistani government to sell to Pakistan consumers than it does to smuggle the Atta outside, or to hoard it and sell on the black market until the price in Pakistan rises closer to international levels found in Afghanistan and Central Asia.
There's enough Atta inside Pakistan to feed everyone. Right now it is being hoarded and smuggled. Private companies and individuals, in their greed, don't want ordinary Pakistanis to get it because they are hoping to get more money selling it to others.
That is indeed the reality of the situation.
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Are you saying his holiness Musharraf's economic boom is just a bunch of thelaz and kelas?
Does your definition of economy include only monetary resources. It counts everything that is a resource of some value. Your point was that thelas stealing electricity should not dent the electricity consumption in Pakistan. I just said a huge portion of our market place may be running on stolen electricity which is not paid for and thus must be causing some sort of dent to the revenues which could have been used in mobilizing more resources to generate more electricity.
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The government buys Atta and distributes it to retailers at a fixed price below fair market value (because fair market value is too high for the ordinary Pakistani to afford). The problem is that Atta is worth more outside Pakistan than inside Pakistan.
Therefore, it makes less sense to sell Atta to the Pakistani government to sell to Pakistan consumers than it does to smuggle the Atta outside, or to hoard it and sell on the black market until the price in Pakistan rises closer to international levels found in Afghanistan and Central Asia.
There's enough Atta inside Pakistan to feed everyone. Right now it is being hoarded and smuggled. Private companies and individuals, in their greed, don't want ordinary Pakistanis to get it because they are hoping to get more money selling it to others.
One thing I didnt get about your post is: "Therefore, it makes less sense to sell Atta to the Pakistani government to sell to Pakistan consumers than it does to smuggle the Atta outside, or to hoard it and sell on the black market until the price in Pakistan rises closer to international levels found in Afghanistan and Central Asia."
Why do Atta sellers need to sell to government first. Why can't they sell ATTA directly to consumers without DIRECT government involvement.
And why Is it possible to smuggle It out side of country. Why is government failing to control this situation?
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The first article is a total hit piece and full of half truths and lies. Truth is a rare commodity among the anti-mush group. The problem of electricity primarily has to do with bad distribution and stealing. Everyone who has lived in Pakistan for more than a day knows this. We see damaged electricity cables, blown transformers, non-payment of bills, mismanagement, kundi connections everywhere.
Demand has risen, but as expected, supply has not as quickly. This is true for everything in a fast developing nation.
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One thing I didnt get about your post is: "Therefore, it makes less sense to sell Atta to the Pakistani government to sell to Pakistan consumers than it does to smuggle the Atta outside, or to hoard it and sell on the black market until the price in Pakistan rises closer to international levels found in Afghanistan and Central Asia."
Why do Atta sellers need to sell to government first. Why can't they sell ATTA directly to consumers without DIRECT government involvement. And why Is it possible to smuggle It out side of country. Why is government failing to control this situation?
Because Pakistanis, especially from our northern areas, are born smugglers. If you know of a magic solution to eradicate the bkack market and smuggling, tell us, since no one in pakistan has been able to eradicate it till now.
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The government buys Atta and distributes it to retailers at a fixed price below fair market value (because fair market value is too high for the ordinary Pakistani to afford). The problem is that Atta is worth more outside Pakistan than inside Pakistan.
Therefore, it makes less sense to sell Atta to the Pakistani government to sell to Pakistan consumers than it does to smuggle the Atta outside, or to hoard it and sell on the black market until the price in Pakistan rises closer to international levels found in Afghanistan and Central Asia.
There's enough Atta inside Pakistan to feed everyone. Right now it is being hoarded and smuggled. Private companies and individuals, in their greed, don't want ordinary Pakistanis to get it because they are hoping to get more money selling it to others.
Sounds sensible enough. A businessmans sells where the profit comes the most. Politically it would be popular to put checks on the exports but then economically that would be damaging because it would decrease incoming revenue though it would get a lot of votes. This is precisely how global markets operate. If someone else were selling on the market cheaper than Pakistani sellers then obviously our shortage would subside.
The politically correct way to fix this problem would be economically damaging so how do we deal with the situation. I think capitalist countries simply would let their population pay more until something else replaces the demand for it though I doubt that is possible since it is the basic essential of food in Pakistan. Same in the case of rice. So the article is not incorrect in saying that the export facilitation has caused this though not enough are knowledgible to understand the difference politically and economically especially for those households where there is no enough to eat now.
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One thing I didnt get about your post is: "Therefore, it makes less sense to sell Atta to the Pakistani government to sell to Pakistan consumers than it does to smuggle the Atta outside, or to hoard it and sell on the black market until the price in Pakistan rises closer to international levels found in Afghanistan and Central Asia."
Why do Atta sellers need to sell to government first. Why can't they sell ATTA directly to consumers without DIRECT government involvement. And why Is it possible to smuggle It out side of country. Why is government failing to control this situation?
Sorry, I got excited and typed too fast. It is wheat that the government buys. The government buys the wheat harvest of the country and sells it to flour mills, who then sell it on to customers.
The problem is that, as I explained, flour mills and companies involved in distribution are not selling it in Pakistan, due to the disparity between prices in Pakistan and prices abroad in countries such as Afghanistan and Central Asia.
A lot of flour is being smuggled (because our border with Afghanistan is impossible to seal; the government has already tried to seal it to stop Taliban movement and has failed), and other flour is being hoarded because distributors feel that prices will rise in the future - all they need to do to make more money is a wait a few more days or weeks.
To combat smuggling, the army is being deployed to secure flour stocks and escort all shipments of flour from mill to market. In this way, within a few days soldiers should be able to report on where flour is being hoarded and smuggled by tracking production and shipments. The government is preparing stiff penalties for all involved.
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Because Pakistanis, especially from our northern areas, are born smugglers. If you know of a magic solution to eradicate the bkack market and smuggling, tell us, since no one in pakistan has been able to eradicate it till now.
But we have "Pheron" Mush deliberately fighting for good and he has done so much great including arrests of the innocent and some very influencing political figures. Why not crack down on the real threats as well? He has Police/Army under controll or does Mr. Elahi have few words to say inbetween making things harder for Mush?
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Because Pakistanis, especially from our northern areas, are born smugglers. If you know of a magic solution to eradicate the bkack market and smuggling, tell us, since no one in pakistan has been able to eradicate it till now.
Another racist statement.
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Because Pakistanis, especially from our northern areas, are born smugglers. If you know of a magic solution to eradicate the bkack market and smuggling, tell us, since no one in pakistan has been able to eradicate it till now.
This is correct. As long as the governmental price controls continue so will the emergence of black markets. However what is the best possible solution to this. Should we have our people pay more or should we control our exports? Probably the black markets are causing more damage than legal exports.
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Sorry, I got excited and typed too fast. It is wheat that the government buys. The government buys the wheat harvest of the country and sells it to flour mills, who then sell it on to customers.
The problem is that, as I explained, flour mills and companies involved in distribution are not selling it in Pakistan, due to the disparity between prices in Pakistan and prices abroad in countries such as Afghanistan and Central Asia.
A lot of flour is being smuggled (because our border with Afghanistan is impossible to seal; the government has already tried to seal it to stop Taliban movement and has failed), and other flour is being hoarded because distributors feel that prices will rise in the future - all they need to do to make more money is a wait a few more days or weeks.
To combat smuggling, the army is being deployed to secure flour stocks and escort all shipments of flour from mill to market. In this way, within a few days soldiers should be able to report on where flour is being hoarded and smuggled by tracking production and shipments. The government is preparing stiff penalties for all involved.
I see.
Can you give me some link to read on the highlighted text area? There are some important facts. If you could back them up with links. Appreciate that.
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Another racist statement.
For you all harsh facts will be racist. To satisfy Spock, let us say that it is Mush and Altaf who re the only 2 smugglers in Pakistan.