An Indian-American Visits Pakistan...

a nice read…many interesting observations. I am pleasantly surprised to hear that he found both Lahore and Karachi more modern, spacious, & clean than big indian cities. I have never been to India … so cannot reflect but would love to hear from guppies who have been to Delhi, Bangalore and Mumbai. Unbiased opinions only please…

also, in spirit of fair disclosure, one needs to recognize that his trip was highly “shadowed” by getting exposed to 'elite" class of Pakistanis only but nonetheless he was still able to observe different angles of the pakistani society and as such comment on those aspects. Overall, a good read.
[HR][/HR]Eye Opener: An Indian-American Visits Pakistan

Eye Opener: An Indian-American Visits Pakistan | United States - India Monitor

Many of us travel for business or leisure. But few ever take a trip that dramatically shatters their entire worldview of a country and a people in one fell swoop. I was lucky enough to have returned from just such a trip: a week-long sojourn in Pakistan. It was a true eye-opener, and a thoroughly enjoyable one at that. Many of the assumptions and feelings I had held toward the country for nearly 30 years were challenged and exposed as wrong and even ignorant outright. Yes, I was aware of all the reasons not to go, safety foremost among them. As an American, an Indian, and a Hindu there seemed to be multiple reasons for someone of my background to have concerns about security. Relatives and friends couldn’t hide their dismay and genuine fear; a frequent question was “why would you want to go?” The subtext is that there’s nothing to see there that’s worth the risk. The Western and Indian media feed us a steady diet of stories about bomb blasts, gunfights, kidnappings, torture, subjugation of women, dysfunctional government, and scary madrassa schools that are training the next generation of jihadist terrorists. And yes, to many Westerners and especially Indians, Pakistan is the enemy, embodying all that is wrong in the world. Incidents such as the beheading of American journalist Daniel Pearl, 26/11 and the Osama Bin Laden raid in Abottobad have not helped the cause either. Numerous international relations analysts proclaim that Pakistan is “the most dangerous place in the world” and the border with India is “the most dangerous border in the world.” I’m not naive enough to argue that these proclamations don’t have some elements of truth; through extensive academic work on Pakistan’s governance, its history, and its nuclear weapons arsenal I know that some problems are real. Rather, I am here to tell you that these aspects are overblown; that this country is about so much more, a whole other and much larger, beautiful, glorious, and uplifting side not given equal time by the media. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. And it’s time that Indians and Americans acknowledge Pakistan for what it really is as a whole- and our ignorance for what that is. It may be easy to dismiss my firsthand experience as anecdotal: yes, I stayed in affluent neighborhoods in large cities, mostly met those who belong to the educated elite, was protected by firearm-toting bodyguards, and rarely revealed my ethnic background to most of the new people I met. Funnily enough, I don’t think now that the absence of any of these factors would have changed my experience at all. The Genesis
My trip to Pakistan was not planned much in advance. (READ THIS FIRST: Mahanth's Freedom Tour 2012, Part 1: Sri Lanka) and spent a great deal of time with two Pakistani friends from my undergraduate days at Georgetown. Both are now businessmen, one in Karachi and the other in Lahore. I was going to be in India soon, and mentioned that a trip to Pakistan is something I always wanted to do, but I was too scared to execute it. Over the next few hours, we had some beer and seafood by the hotel swimming pool in Colombo and got into a detailed and lively discussion, during which time they insisted I visit and guaranteed my safety throughout the stay. My concerns allayed, I promised to make it happen, probably the first person from my family tree to visit Pakistan since the bloody 1947 partition. I was fortunate to have the opportunity for a fully hosted trip and couldn’t pass it up anymore. I have realized now more than ever before how deep the friendships forged during college can run- cutting across borders, cultures, and time. Karachi
As I was about to land in Karachi on my flight from Colombo, Sri Lanka (direct flights from India are few and far between), I was gripped by a familiar fear. What the hell was I doing? What if I got detained in the airport and then deported because they found out my Indian ancestry and suspected my motives? How would my parents react if they learned I was the victim of a bomb blast while traveling around the city? On the plane I sat next to a very chatty and friendly executive from Lahore, who had gone to Sri Lanka on business. He was excited to tell me about Pakistan since it was my first visit, and the conversation was pleasant enough. But I kept feeling the growing knot of fear in my stomach. I tried to be brave as the plane landed. As my friend had said, 20 million people live in Karachi and now and then bad things happen, but the odds of it affecting me were very low.http://usindiamonitor.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/freedom-tour-2012-8931.jpg?w=300&h=225 Fortunately I got through immigration at the Quaid-e-Azam Airport quickly, and a friend was waiting for me with his pickup truck. The first thing I saw outside the airport was… a giant McDonald’s restaurant surrounded by a large and well-manicured green lawn. An unexpected welcome from the golden arches on a sunny, hot day. Two uniformed bodyguards with rifles who were exceedingly friendly and welcoming climbed onto the pickup truck bed as we started on a 45-minute drive. I was impressed by the massive, well-maintained parks and gardens surrounding the airport. I was also impressed by the general cleanliness, the orderliness of the traffic, the quality of the roads, and the greenery. Coming from a city government background, I was surprised at how organized Karachi was throughout the ride. I also didn’t see many beggars the entire way. I had just spent significant amounts of time in two major Indian cities, Mumbai and Bangalore, as well as several second-tier cities like Mangalore, and none would compare favorably on maintenance and city planning, especially when it came to potholes and waste management. This was the first surprise; I was expecting that piles of garbage and dirt would line the roads and beggars would overflow onto the streets. Surely there is dirt and poverty in Karachi, but far less than I was expecting. Karachi was also less dense and crowded than India’s cities. My second pleasant surprise was to see numerous large development projects under way. I had read about Pakistan’s sluggish GDP growth and corruption in public works and foreign aid disbursement. This may be true, but construction was going on all over the place: new movie theaters, new malls, new skyscrapers, new roads, and entire new neighborhoods being built from scratch. In this regard it was similar to India and every other part of Asia I had seen recently: new development and rapid change continues apace, something we are seeing less of in the West. http://usindiamonitor.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/freedom-tour-2012-880.jpg?w=300&h=225Just a few of the many highlights in Karachi included relaxing at beachside cafes, dining at amazing tandoori restaurants such as the massive Barbecue Tonight, an excellent burger/brunch joint called Xander’s, a visit to the historic and beautiful Mazar-e-Quaid where the nation’s founder, Muhammad Ali Jinnah is entombed in a marble mausoleum, visiting a book fair next to the British-era Frere Hall, and a sailboat ride around the Karachi port where a magnificent crab feast fit for a Mogul emperor was served on board. The service was so impeccable, the cooks would crack and remove individual crab claw shells by hand to make it easier to access the fresh meat. We were also able to do some things which may sound more familiar to Americans: bowling at Karachi’s first bowling alley, intense games of pickup basketball with some local teenagers at a large public park (these kids could really play), or passing through massive and well-appointed malls filled with thousands of happy people of all ages walking around, shopping, or eating at the food court. We even attended agrand launch party for Magnum ice cream bars, featuring many of Pakistan’s A-list actors, models, and businesspeople. A friend who is involved in producing musicals directed an excellent performance at the party, complete with live band, singing, and dancing. This troupe, Made for Stage has also produced shows such as the Broadway musical Chicago to critical acclaim with an all-Pakistani cast for the first time in history. Even the poor areas we visited, such as the neighborhoods around the Mazar, were filled with families coming out for a picnic or a stroll, enjoying their weekend leisure time in the sun. All I could see were friendly and happy people, including children with striking features running around. At no time did I feel the least bit unsafe anywhere we went, and we definitely went through a mix of neighborhoods with varying profiles. Lahore http://usindiamonitor.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/freedom-tour-2012-9181.jpg?w=300&h=179Lahore is more beautiful overall than Karachi or any large Indian city I’ve seen. Serious effort has gone into keeping the city green and preserving its storied history. Historians would have a field day here. In particular we saw two stunning historic mosques, the Wazir Khan and the Badshahi, both of which should be considered treasures not only for Muslims, Pakistanis, or South Asia, but for all of humanity. I felt it a crime that I’d never even heard of either one. Each of them in different ways features breath-taking architecture and intricate artwork comparable to India’s Taj Mahal. These are must-see sights for any tourist to Lahore. The best way to enjoy the vista of the Badshahi mosque is to have a meal on the rooftop of one of the many superb restaurants on Food Street next to the mosque compound. This interesting area was for hundreds of years an infamous red-light district, made up of a series of old wooden rowhouses that look like they were lifted straight out of New Orleans’ Bourbon Street, strangely juxtaposed with one of the country’s holiest shrines. From the roof of Cuckoo’s Den restaurant, we could see all of the massive Badshahi complex along with the adjoining royal fortress, all while having a 5-star meal of kebabs, spicy curries in clay pots, and lassi under the stars. We were fortunate to have very pleasant whether as well. This alfresco dining experience with two good friends encompassed my favorite moments in the city. We did much more in Lahore. We were given a tour of the renowned Aitchison College, which one of my friends attended. This boys’ private prep school is known for its difficult entrance exams, rigorous academic tradition, illustrious list of alumni since the British founded the school, and its gorgeous and impeccably maintained 200-acre campus that puts most major universities icluding my own Georgetown to shame. Aitchison has been considered one of the best prep schools on the subcontinent since 1886. However, it would have been impossible to get a tour without the alumni connection because security is very thorough. We went out to the village of Kasur, not too far from the famous Waga border with India, to see my friend’s agricultural business. This gave me a profile of village life, which like India makes up most of the country. The highway on the way was in very good condition, and the village was serene and pleasant, if poor. Just as with the cities, I saw lots of potential in this place. With more advanced farming, shipping, and storage methods, it’s quite likely that we will see much more wealth coming to Pakistan’s villages in the near future. http://usindiamonitor.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/freedom-tour-2012-920.jpg?w=270&h=203Beer seems to taste better when it’s bootlegged. There’s an alcohol prohibition in effect across Pakistan so there’s no other way to get it. One of the modern contradictions of Pakistani life is that the country has a top-notch brewer called Murree’s, set up during the British Raj, but the company officially exists only to export the beer- or to have it sold on the local black market, which is apparently insatiable. If you have the money and contacts, you are usually able to find booze. We spent two leisurely evenings in Lahore drinking Murree’s in my friend’s pool, swimming, chatting, and listening to music such as techno, hip-hop, and Talking Heads. Life does not get any better than that- in Pakistan or elsewhere. In Conclusion This is a story about more than individual friendships, which brought me to Pakistan in the first place. I was hosted by a number of people in their homes, including a former high-ranking general of the Pakistani Army, and treated like a part of the family despite my background. I conducted several meetings, both formal and informal to discuss business opportunities, and was always treated with great respect. I made a number of new friends, people who I hope to stay in touch with and see many times again. Indians and Pakistanis should take a step back and think about all of the things they have in common. The brand of Islam I saw in Pakistan was benign, mostly relegated to melodic prayer calls from the minarets, and pleasant salutations between people. It is not an in-your-face brand of the religion as I have seen in the Middle East, where everyone is forced to conform to rules about clothing or shutting down business during prayer times. Pakistanis and Indians are cut from the same cloth, and really aren’t that different from each other. I think this was my biggest and most pleasant surprise of all. The ill feelings that do exist are mostly manufactured for political gain on both sides of the border, or based on slights from decades or even centuries ago. Though there are grand challenges, foremost among them the issue of Kashmir and related border disputes, these should be easily overshadowed by the economic opportunities available to Pakistan, India, and the West by increasing their level of international trade. In fact, I believe commerce and the march of capitalism will provide the path for India and Pakistan to become allies as nations and friends as people. There are certainly other challenges. Terrorism and gangsterism are very real problems, and they are alive and well in Pakistan, especially in the rough terrain of the Northwest Frontier region ruled by tribal militias and their blood feuds. The army continues to play an outsized role in government, and there are not yet any better options as the civilian leaders are mostly compromised by business interests and cronyism in a land where feudal tendencies appear time and again. But even these problems can be overcome by bringing Pakistan deeper into the community of nations, and further integrating Pakistan into world markets. India and the United States for their part can do more to help bring this about. I am convinced that instead of the delicate dance the three nations have done around each other since 1947, it is time for all to become closer friends and drop the pretexts for moving backward instead of forward. What I saw in Pakistan more than the perils, is great potential. I plan to do my part, and this piece is only the first step. (UPDATE 9/2/12): Thank you readers for over 2,000 facebook likes, 300 tweets, etc. I am very happy to see the reception this piece has gotten. Check out this video of a Pakistani band singing one of my favorite songs all-time: JUNOON ( SAYONEE ) HD ( ONE JPG ONLY ) - YouTube http://usindiamonitor.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/freedom-tour-2012-843.jpg?w=604&h=453 Mahanth S. Joishy is Editor of usindiamonitor.com.

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Don’t matter what other people think about the things, that don’t belong to them, or the things they could not care less about.

What do you think, about the things PD.

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I have a very low IQ and unfortunately usually struggle with most of the topics/posts…please enlighten me what exactly are you asking?

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That you don’t have low IQ, we would be more interested in knowing how you see things, rather then some dude from the news paper or the blog etc.

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*Pakistanis and Indians are cut from the same cloth, and really aren’t that different from each other. I think this was my biggest and most pleasant surprise of all. *

Really? But I’ve never been to India and I still understand that Indians and Pakistanis are “not that different from each other”. It’s not something that would surprise or shock me if I ever visited India. See this goes back to a discussion we had a while ago about how little Indians really know about Pakistan compared to how much we know about them primarily because of the prevalence of Indian media in Pakistan. Same holds true for the common man in the US/EU who I’m sure doesn’t even know how many provinces we have in Pakistan and how rich and unique each one is in its culture.

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i have never been to india..so can’t reflect upon the comparison aspect.

Apart from that, I do agree with some of the assessments..that both lahore and karachi have experienced some major infrastructure updates at least in some portion of the cities. Every other year when i go back to lahore, i get impressed by the incremental development especially around the aiprort, gulberg, lahore cannt, ferozpur road, defense housing society. Roads are very well carpeted, relatively spacious, generally clean, separated by well maintained green belts, branded cars everywhere, newer glass buildings, tons of restaurants, many flyover bridges etc… it is very modern looking…

but let me also add that most of this structural modernism is to some extent cosmetic. Municipal sewer system is absolutely rubbish even in modern parts of Lahore and Karachi..one rain and everything will be flooded. Water availability is poor and almost every home has a pump. Major power shortages are common.

As soon as you cross wahdat road and start moving towards ichra and then to mazang, things are a bit more random, congested and dirtier. Once you cross Government college, anarkali bazar and kachari court, you are officially in old lahore in data darbar vicinity and it is pretty average up there and not much to romanticize … unless you were born and raised in those mysterious streets!

From social standpoint, the writer is overstating…maybe because he was exposed to rich Pakistanis only… There is no booz type activity anywhere except among very few families or in lahore gymkhana where waiters still serve wine and beer in a hidden format when you are busy playing cards! yes we have some malls, theaters, cinema houses and bowling centers, but they are still very few and not part of normal social fabric.

For an average lahorite/katachite, the overall social circle is still very suffocated … very few music shows. No more junoon/awaz type musical events at open air theater. People are afraid of bomb blasts when they go to these modern social events unless they are at a protected place. Eating outside remains the biggest social activity in Lahore.

Karachi has been torn by the violence but modern parts of the city remain immune to most of this violence for most part. You go to Defense housing society to meet your friends in karachi and you will find rich class busy with their lives. but Karachi definitely has a much more active social life than lahore despite violence. So many literature events, mena bazar, urdu conferences, musical events, fashion shows etc. Lahore will have all of them but not frequently.

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now this is what we call a nice read. Better then most of stuff you copy paste :smiley:

:lifey:

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Not even 5% of the Karachi pop lives in Defence. The Karachi rest of us 95% live in is shyte.

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Thank you for the nice read PD.

One thing these people were not exposed to were the bhatta khors and snatching mafia. Eleminate them from karachi and many people will go back to karachi.Other issues like corruption,pollution is common amongst sub continent cities, only thing that bothers all is security of common people who has to leave his home without any facility of security guards.I see this growing fear factor in karachites every time i go there.

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I think this guy is surprised so much because in his mind Pakistan was no different from Afghanistan. He said he didn’t expect McDonald’s in Karachi. What was he thinking? Was he going to Qandahar?
Then he was impressed by well-maintained parks around the airport area. Well, obviously they were well-maintained, because of their location. This gives an impression that this person is trying to say as many positive things as possible about Pakistan. Even if those things don’t make an iota of sense.

The most funny part I found is when he talks of the “orderliness” of Karachi traffic. I am wondering if he is talking about Karachi, Sindh?! Because traffic in the city is upside down. People go in wrong direction with impunity and without remorse. There is no sense of lanes (actually most roads don’t even have lanes marked). Minors ride bikes on roads as if they are in a circus. People honking horns for no obvious reason. I can go on like this the whole day.

Here are some other surprising comments from him:

  • he didn’t see any beggars.
  • he didn’t see piles of garbage (I think the hosts had him blindfolded)
  • he didn’t feel unsafe (in probably three hours he spent travelling on a few roads). Good thing he didn’t meet any mobile-snatcher at some traffic light.

So I don’t know what city he went to. He certainly is not talking about Karachi.

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I want to go and visit the pakistan , the very same one , which the writer did …

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This gives me some homework to do when I go holiday-ing to Pakistan and India next year. I hope I will be as amazed as the writer coz so far nothing I’ve read has impressed me about Lahore.*