An expat’s question

This is interesting & maybe Pakistan needs to go Saudi ways to deal with terrorism?

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | An expat?s question

By Muhammad Ali

MUNA Khan, a former Dawn hand, now abroad and working for a news agency, emailed the following question to me: ‘One thing that has struck me as odd is how Saudi Arabia has stayed immune from terrorist attacks all this while. What security measures do they have in place that act as deterrents?’

Her question deserves a doctoral thesis, but what is needed is a short and focussed response germane to the question. A cogent remark by a British journalist deserves attention in the context of the war on terror. He said Pakistan was neither a democracy nor a dictatorship. This was said in the summer of 2007 when, during the Musharraf era, two crises were running simultaneously: the Lal Masjid rebellion and the lawyers’ movement.

Pakistan has never been the barbaric dictatorship that Latin America and many parts of Southeast Asia had been and which the Middle East continues to be. Even in Ziaul Haq’s days — when Pakistan came nearest to being a barbaric dictatorship — the military regime had to have regard for basic notions of constitutionalism. He might have said that the constitution was nothing but a piece of paper he could tear up any time, but even Zia had to have his takeover approved by the Supreme Court and to rely on pseudo-constitutional nostrums to perpetuate his tyranny. Even for Bhutto’s ‘judicial murder’ (Dorab Patel’s words) he had to go through the charade of a trial. No such compulsions existed for tyrants in Latin America, the Middle East and Southeast Asia.

One of Pakistan’s major problems has been lack of continuity of the political system. Even if a dictatorship lasts — notwithstanding the phut that comes later — certain advantages do accrue. Ayub’s decade of development wasn’t all fraud. The foundations of industrialisation were laid, the middle class expanded, and the world, from Beijing to Washington, respected Pakistan. Ziaul Haq’s tyranny was a disaster domestically, but the world knew who was minding the store. As for Musharraf, the US dealt with him as did India because they knew who was in charge. More important, under Musharraf the media was quite free (till the curbs in his final days in office). This had a direct but negative bearing on questions relating to the war on terror.

Let us now note some of the major differences between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia in the context of the war on terror. One, the desert is not guerilla-friendly. On a moonlit night you can spot a moving object miles away. Two, Saudi Arabia does not have a terrain where three of the world’s mightiest mountain ranges — the Himalayas, Karakoram and Hindukush — meet. For that reason it does not have those valleys and canyons and dry rivers-beds and hundreds of thousands of caves which provide sanctuary to terrorists armed to the teeth.

In Pakistan, arms for terrorists come from the tribesmen’s own improvised arms industry or are bought from the global market with drug money. The Saudi kingdom wouldn’t tolerate a semi-autonomous arms manufacturing industry which would flood Saudi Arabia not with delicious dates but a variety of arms ranging from a ‘toy’ like the Kalashnikov to the rocket launcher.

Three, in Saudi Arabia the government controls the ulema, who are not in a position to bully the officials. A slight deviation from the government-authorised version of the Friday sermon, and the imam is in trouble. In Pakistan, the so-called ulema — most of them semi-literates — bully the government and society and are a source of social anarchy. Well-armed and well-funded, Pakistan’s religious parties and institutions are the biggest hindrance in the war on terror and extremism.

Let us note the difference between how Islamabad handled the Lal Masjid rebellion and how the Saudis tackled the failed bid to take over the Grand Mosque and take the royal family hostage. While the Musharraf government acted late and half-heartedly against the Aziz–Rashid duo, let us see the ease — or, if your prefer, the ruthlessness — with which the Saudi government dispatched the rebels

Three decades after the failed takeover of the Grand Mosque in Makkah in November 1979 we do not know the details of how the mutiny was crushed. The Saudis called in French legionnaires to flush out the dissidents. Most rebels died fighting or were later captured and executed. Even encyclopaedias till today have no clue as to the number of the dead. Some accounts say the Grand Mosque was flooded with water and electric current released.

In our case, what do you do if half a dozen terrorists hide in a Swat or Fata village of 20,000? Do you order the army and air force to take out the village? Can any government in Islamabad do what Israel did in Gaza and Lebanon?

Far from taking out the village, even if Pakistani security forces seal off the village for a fortnight, within no time Pakistan’s human rights’ organisations and the pro-Taliban media would be up in arms, with lurid stories about babies dying for want of milk and pregnant women without healthcare in the biting cold. The government would retreat, and the terrorists would be the gainers. Neither Pakistani liberals nor aid-givers understand this point.

Pakistan has taken every imaginable step possible so far as security measures are concerned for tackling the rebellion in Swat and Fata. But Pakistan doesn’t enjoy the support of the liberals, who live in a world of their own, and seem to forget that their theoretical sermons on constitutional and liberal values may sound fine in Scandinavia, but help the Taliban and their supporters in the media and politics over here.

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great article...

I'd have to say power: the Saudi government is far more wealthy and in control of its land than Pakistan has ever been.

The Saudis also in charge of the holiest places in Islam; this lends the government a claim to legitimacy that Pakistan cannot rival; they are the custodians and the caretakers of Makkah and Medina.

Pakistan's government remains weak; the land barely controlled and most of all- the education system suffers from a lack of oversight and proper funding/expansion; because Saudia Arabia has a standardized educational system they are able to indoctrinate the citizens of the country into an ideology of nationhood. Pakistan, on the other hand, has a system that divides the schools into three categories- private, public, and the infamous madrassahs. The curriculum at each of these levels is completely different; leaving the students at the bottom of the rung prey to the terrorists who then bait and attract those very students.

It is the gaping holes in Pakistan's educational system and political infrastructure that leaves it vulnerable to terrorists.

just my two cents

I disagree that it has to do with education, it has to do more with law enforecement and how Saudi secret agencies monitor each gathering, how they monitor masajid, how they abduct people some of whom never appear back, how they have control over weapons distribution etc. Comparably look at Pakistan, if I was smuggling a truck load of weapon and was caught (low chances) I'd bribe my way out of it and guess where would that weaponry go?

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As a dictatorship, Saudi Arabia is not constrained by issues such as human rights. Saudi security agencies have a much freer hand to act that Pakistan does.

I completely agree with ehtasab … law enforcement is something that none of the elected or dictator governments have looked into ..perhaps intentionally :hmmm: coz they will themselves come in the grip of the law if they strengthen the law..

a country is made by its nation , therefore none of the excuses will ever work that this cant be done in Pakistan for that cant be done in Pakistan … hang a few quack ulema’s and watch the rest get in order … they have a free hand to distort the religion as they want to … and that is ultimately creating terrorists rather then islamic scholars …

give strict punishments to those caught bribing and recieving bribes and watch the nation get civilized for fear of law. But our government is the biggest briber , who can expect them to create laws that will erase the vices and blanket the nation with respect for law… ?

In Pakistan , Law enforcement will have to supercede every other thing in order to see any form of human or social or economic development.

bingo!

Good point, but I'd rather be in a society where at least there is some respect for human rights, but the problem is if you're fighting barbarians, (who blow up mosques like today) can you afford to be civilized? Its a serious dilemma...

Also, another advantage Saudi Arabia has is that press freedom does not exist. The harsher actions of the government in surpressing militancy never come to light except in obscure reports by foreign NGOs... who themselves rely on second and third-hand reports as they aren't allowed to investigate themselves.

Contrast with Pakistan, where local journalists publicise little issues such as the plight of refugees from areas where the army in engaging in counter-insurgency, and start reporting how many civilians who stayed in the area died. The Saudi government doesn't need to worry about such jounalists, it can have them silenced and let what needs to be done be done without the people finding out.

So the grassroots issue goes down to the Pakistani populace being incapable of recognizing what is beneficial to their existence in the long run OR worse not caring about it. Its opposition for the sake of opposition to anything.

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terrorism is like anyother commodity. it finds it way to places where the market is.

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I suppose education is something that is fostered after you have a stable society; however in Pakistan you have an entity that is almost independent of the government- the military.

Is anyone familiar with the politics of Chile? They managed to come to a solution (after repeated military coups to stabilize the country from revolution and protests) of establishing a limited democracy. That is, it was a democracy in its essentials, there was voting, freedom of speech and press, but the military acted as a umbrella government over everything and were even given chief positions in government to make sure that structurally; the country was sound.

In that case though, the elected politicians worked very closely with the military to ensure stability; it was a slow but effective process. Perhaps the same thing would work for Pakistan?

In addition to what is said above in article:

  1. Saudi Arabia is the richest Muslim country where there are no poor people to be exploited.

  2. Saudi Arabia basically is an Arab country; foreigners will remain foreigners even they live hundred years. Each foreigner is counted for and all information is in the computer. There is no way if a foreigner commits crime and get away with it due to lack of information. No one gives protection to criminals, unlike in Pakistan.

  3. The major resistance might have come from Palestinians like Hammas or other Jew resistance. But Saudi Arabia though an American ally, pays billions of dolloars in aid to Palestinians, so chances of any reaction from them is none.

  4. Once a crime is established by Saudi official through short cuts, there is no way the person is not punished even he or she is innocent. For most of the crimes there is a capital punishment.

  5. Population of Saudi Arabia is much less than Pakistan.

I think these are the major differences which make Saudi Arabia as safest Muslim land, though somtimes violating human rights.

untrue

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the methods KSA adopts work, but so would just nuking the whole region. i would much rather live in a society where the government is to some extent held back by questions of appropriate force and humaneness.

having first hand experienced the draconian culture, a barbaric ruling class and an overbearing government of KSA I much prefer the lack of safety in Pakistan. Now I have the luxury of being from an area that is relatively peaceful these days (relatively) but even in the times when Karachi was a hellhole I wouldnt have adopted for a Saudi style solution.

Yes their religious class is controlled by the government as opposed to ours where it has influence (through public support i may add), and that is definitely the preferable state of affairs as far as I am concerned.

Likewise for freedom of media.

there is a thesis in economics that Freedom is an indicator of development. On that scale atleast Pakistan is more developed than Saudi Arabia, and just because we are challenged by terrorism doesnt mean we should regress to the all too easy embrace of brutal dictatorship, because guess what, dictators arent just dictators to the terrorists.