^^ I pray Allah deal with all non Muslims with the right way as stated in Quran and in Islamic teachings.
Ahmedis are and were non Mulims.Period
Oh oh...
"Withhold your tongues from those who say "There is no god but Allah" do not call them kafir. Whoever calls a reciter of "There is no god but Allah" as a kafir, is nearer to being a kafir himself.'' (Tabarani, reported from Ibn Umar)
How do you feel about this Hadith?
Re: An Ahmdi War Hero of Runn Kutch 1965 and CHAMB 1971 War
^^ Kafir and non Muslim there is also a difference!
Christians are non Muslims though they have changed their belief and are doing shirk and so Ahmedis do by stating that so called khalifa as GOS (naozbillah) so yeah I will still call Ahmedis as Kafir / Murtadd
Re: An Ahmdi War Hero of Runn Kutch 1965 and CHAMB 1971 War
i ain't a Pakistani but i wud say that those who lay their lives for their country should not be remembered a belonging to a certain sect? they are all Pakistanis. no one wud like to keep an statistics on sect base sacrifices, i am sure.
Re: An Ahmdi War Hero of Runn Kutch 1965 and CHAMB 1971 War
saNafooz, it just hurts how my fellow muslims brothers dont consider me muslim. You will never know this feeling. Sorry if you felt that i take things personally. I wont do it anymore. I appologize.
i ain't a Pakistani but i wud say that those who lay their lives for their country should not be remembered a belonging to a certain sect? they are all Pakistanis. no one wud like to keep an statistics on sect base sacrifices, i am sure.
yup unless it is not stated as An Ahmedi rather a Pakistani then would have been much better.
^^ Kafir and non Muslim there is also a difference!
Christians are non Muslims though they have changed their belief and are doing shirk and so Ahmedis do by stating that so called khalifa as GOS (naozbillah) so yeah I will still call Ahmedis as Kafir / Murtadd
is GOS a new term in your dictionary?..lolz...care to give a reference for your accusation?
^^ every "Muslim" is thekedar of Islam.
that's why they are in the $hitty state that they are in... if they tried a little harder to reform their own selves, they wouldn't be kicked around all the time.
Ahmedis are and were non Mulims.Period
can you define the terms muslim and non-muslim for us? this way, we won't have to get your fatwa everytime we are not sure...
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BTW I was just wondering.. Are you guys still taught that india attacked in 1965 or sanity has prevailed and operation Gibralter accepted as truth and trigger point of war..I watch pakistan tv regularlry and columnist so often mention hwo they still toe the army line that idnia attacked despite fully knowing it was Operation Gibralter started by pakistan which provoked the war
is GOS a new term in your dictionary?..lolz...care to give a reference for your accusation?
it was GOD. typing mistake BTW there wasnt much to lol about as for you your religion can be fun as it always been, not for me.
that's why they are in the $hitty state that they are in... if they tried a little harder to reform their own selves, they wouldn't be kicked around all the time.
Charhte sooraj ko sab salam kartey hain.
if it is $****ty state its only due to looseness that before nobody thought to act on it.. now as there are a lot of so called self made subset of Islam (which actually isnt any Islam), its already too late to re-frame it.
Its not they have been kicked around all the time its that the western are preparing for the War of Armageddon by using their media as a Mass Weapon for Islamic Destruction (naozbillah).
You said it only because you even dont believe there is Islam. you just said about the $itty situation, thats a sign that you only want to ne on green side what so ever and who so ever it is.
can you define the terms muslim and non-muslim for us? this way, we won't have to get your fatwa everytime we are not sure...
"La Ilaha Ila Allah, Muhammad Rasool Allah"
There is none but Allah, and Muhammad (PBUH) is his prophet.
Allah the one who created everything.
Muhammad who preached Islam and not the one that according to Ahmedis is the one who clamied himself to be prophet after or at the state of Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) (Naozbillah)
It need your heart and mind , so said your neyyat to be firm on this kalima and not thinking any other person for that.
non Muslim who dont believe what this Kalima says and has other self created facts. even like christians or jews or anybody else.
then comes munafiq. Those who just say themselves as Muslims and dont act from their heart like Muslims and always try to create misunderstandings in Islam, like Ahmedis and Sahis and many others. This misunderstanding starts rightly from saying the Kalima from mouth to let the world know that Ahmedi are a part of Islam but not accepting it from heart or mind.
Then comes Kafir. who say that along with Allah there is another creature / material etc (Naozbillah) through any thought.
"La Ilaha Ila Allah, Muhammad Rasool Allah"
There is none but Allah, and Muhammad (PBUH) is his prophet.
Allah the one who created everything.
WOW! This is a remarkably honest definition of a Muslim's declaration of faith. Most mullahs like to include their own conditions in this definition.
I can assure you that all Ahmadis believe in the exact same Kalima. Allah, the Beneficient, the Merciful, Master of the day of judgement, Rabbul Aalameen. Muhammad (SAW) of Arabia, the Holy Prophet of Islam, the messenger of Allah. No Ahmadi thinks of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) when reciting the Kalima. Ahmadis only consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) to be a humble servant of Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
Re: An Ahmdi War Hero of Runn Kutch 1965 and CHAMB 1971 War
^^ servant? in what sense
^^ servant? in what sense
Servant in very sense of the word. Servant just like every Muslim aspires to be the servant of Prophet Muhammad (SAW), to be the dirt on Hazrat Muhammad (SAW)'s shoe.
This is a quote of a translation of a Persian poem by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, about the Holy Prophet:
Verily, my head and my life
I freely offer as a sacrifice
For the blessed dust
Underneath his feet;
And my devoted heart,
Every moment, is offering
Itself at the altar.
Indeed it is easy for me
To tear myself away
Completely from this world,
And all its attractions,
By losing myself in contemplation
Over the charm and excellence
Of the life and personality
Of Muhammad. In this blessed path,
Every particle of my being
I offer freely as a sacrifice,
For myself I have seen
The surpassing beauty
Lies hidden in Muhammad.
No other teacher
Do I recognise, for I
Have been disciplined,
And cultured, in the school
Of this greatest Teacher
For all times.
Re: An Ahmdi War Hero of Runn Kutch 1965 and CHAMB 1971 War
Wo peshwa humara, jis say hai noor sara
name us ka hai Muhammad, dil bar mera yehi hai
Us noor par fedah hoon, us ka hi main hova hoon
wo hai main cheez keya hoon, baas faislah yehi hai
it was GOD. typing mistake BTW there wasnt much to lol about as for you your religion can be fun as it always been, not for me.
i dont give emotional replies as you do...I know very well that I am answerable to Allah and not you or your Mullah.
Where is this thread heading? The topic was to pay tribute to a great pakistani war hero. Whenever there is slightest mention of Ahmadiyat , that thread always takes the same route and goes down the drain.
Re: An Ahmdi War Hero of Runn Kutch 1965 and CHAMB 1971 War
hahahaha