Amreeka's operation in N-waziristan 16 Dead

And that way we had zardai in power.

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                                                                                                   دلاور خان وزیر

بی بی سی اردو ڈاٹ کام، ڈیرہ اسماعیل خان

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امریکیوں کی جانب سے پہلے کئی مرتبہ کارروائی کی جاچکی ہے۔ پاکستان کے قبائلی علاقے جنوبی وزیرستان سے’امریکی اور اتحادی افواج‘ کی مبینہ کارروائی میں سولہ لوگوں کی ہلاکت کی اطلاعات ہیں۔
پاکستانی فوج کے ترجمان میجر جنرل اطہر عباس کے مطابق انہیں واقعہ کی اطلاع ملی ہے لیکن تفصیلات ابھی حاصل کی جارہی ہیں۔ فوج کےایک دیگر ترجمان میجر مراد نے کہا کہ پاکستان کے ایک گاؤں میں حملہ ہوا ہے اور اس سلسلےمیں جلدی ہی ایک پریس ریلیز جاری کی جائے گی۔
عینی شاہدوں کے مطابق صبح تقریباً تین بجے ’تین ہیلی کاپیٹروں میں امریکی اور اتحادی فوج کے دستے موسی نیکہ کے علاقے میں اترے جو افغانستان کی سرحد پر انگور اڈہ کے قریب واقع ہے۔‘
پاکستان کےمشیر داخلہ رحمان ملک نے کل انکشاف کیا تھا کہ سکیورٹی فورسز نے ایک مقام پر یقینی طور پر القائدہ کے رہنما ایمن الظواہری کا پتہ چلا لیا تھا لیکن انہیں گرفتار کرنے کا موقع ضائع ہو گیا۔
انہوں نے کہا کہ پاک افغان سرحد پر مہمند ایجنسی پر سکیورٹی فورسز نے اس وقت کارروائی کی جب اس علاقے میں ایمن الظواہری کی بیوی کو دیکھا گیا۔ تاہم ان دونوں میں سے کوئی پکڑا نہ گیا۔
مقامی لوگوں کے مطابق امریکی اور اتحادی فوجی پاؤجان نامی ایک شخص کے گھر میں داخل ہوگئے اور ارد گرد کے علاقے کو بھی اپنے گھیرے میں لے لیا۔
اطلاعات کے مطابق پاؤجان احمدزئی وزیر کے مکان میں آپریشن کے دوران پندرہ مقامی لوگ ہلاک ہوگئے جن میں خواتین اور بچے شامل ہیں۔
مقامی انتظامیہ نے واقعہ کی تصدیق کی ہے۔ مقامی لوگوں نے بی بی سی کو بتایا کہ پاؤجان کے گھر سے زبردست دھماکوں کی آوازیں آئیں اور قریبی آبادی میں عورتوں اور بچوں نے چیخنا شروع کر دیا۔ اس دوران امریکیوں کی فائرنگ سے ان میں سے پانچ افراد ہلاک ہوگئے۔
مقامی لوگوں نے بتایا کہ پاؤجان کے گھر کے ملبہ سے دس لاشیں نکالی گئی ہیں جن میں تین خواتین دو بچے اور پانچ مرد شامل ہیں۔ انہوں نے کہا کہ پاؤجان کا مکان مکمل طور پر یباہ ہوگیا ہے۔ پاؤجان کے گھر سے پاکستان فوج کا ایک ٹھکانہ صرف تین سو میٹر کے فاصلے پر واقعہ ہے۔
انہوں نے کہا کہ اس واقعہ سے پورے علاقے میں زبردست حوف و ہراس پھیل گیا ہے۔
ہلاک ہونے والوں کو دفنانے کی تیاری کی جارہی ہے۔

Re: Amreeka’s operation in N-waziristan 16 Dead

And there’s a lot more to where that came from :wink:

I’d hate to say this, but electing PPP is proving to be a kick in the pants. Musharraf got replaced by a more “acceptable” personality. The policies stay the same (so far).

Is it too early to start raising the ‘We want Imran’ slogans?! :cheegum:

But on a very serious note, while there are trouble spots and they should be taken care of but only by Pak forces, while not harming civilians. So far more civilians have died, than the actual targets. Or are civilians considered fair targets as long as they reside in the same area classified in grey, no distinction?!

Re: Amreeka's operation in N-waziristan 16 Dead

because F-en poor ppl in pkaistan are dumb enough to elect PPP no matter what.
Because once hell-material Bhuto captured their imagination by slogans like "rooti kapra aur makan"
Now those idiots won't wvote to any one but ppp.

Re: Amreeka's operation in N-waziristan 16 Dead

Why isn't any of the media - Geo News, ARY One world reporting this?

I don't know when these people will wake up. Zardari is an American agent. Why doesn't someone take him out. He's a POS. But what happened in S.Waziristan today is sad. All the gov't will do is "protest" like little girls. No ghairat, no pride. We are just slaves to the western interest.

Re: Amreeka's operation in N-waziristan 16 Dead

Its sad, but if our government acted against radicals in FATA, other people would have no justification for acting.

Nothing will happen, Pakistan is just a US Army base/test range. Its pitiful how weak and poor Pakistan is, its a failed state. For years I have tried to avoid this tag, have debated against it...I even laced my thesis with positive spin on Pakistan. Patriotism blinded me to the reality, Pakistan is a failed state, no functioning central government, no control over the Western border or borderlands, no independent FP and a 'need a life-line' economy.

Pakistan will break up within 30-40 years, religion alone cannot bind a people. The whole exercise was a mistake in hindsight.

^Radicals are produced by individuals who has power (ie:Hired). I wonder who is more radical here......the dumb, uneducated people of Waziristan, the inidividuals who produces them or the Americans who kills the innocent?

Re: Amreeka's operation in N-waziristan 16 Dead

No one supports the killing of innocents here, I regret any innocent death. But why are these raids occurring....simply because we ourselves are not acting.

Radicalism is produced my ideological narrowness, frequent in Pakistan. Perhaps Pak needs to shut itself off from the world, isolationism until its developed an inner calm.

i don't realize what 16 civilians had to do with NATO. Where Pakistan allows
the NATO to land on it's soil and kill its own people.

Pakistan is a country of chickens. Even a country like Afghanistan would
be all over the U.S. for killing civilians but all Pakistan Chaudary Mukhtaar could say
was "These people must have done something to be attacked." What is the point
of having an armed forces and a gov't when you can't protect your own people.

Re: Amreeka's operation in N-waziristan 16 Dead

Pakistan lodged a "Strong Protest"
Boooo freakin whooooo. Like they care.
Where is mr 10%er now?

Re: Amreeka's operation in N-waziristan 16 Dead

its 20 now.
20 dead.

its just going to get worst till we find a honest God fearing leader.

Freakin Zardari. How can the awaam be so dumb. PPP probably has some good honest leaders. But doesn't PPP itself know this man is the more crooked then Jack in the Box Season curly French Fries.

Re: Amreeka's operation in N-waziristan 16 Dead

There is already a big CIA base being constucted in Molagori area of Khyber Agency ...near the Warsak Dam. Moreover, US has full control over the airs of Baluchistan and some airports in Sindh...so what sovereignty...? The only thing Pakistan can do is to use proxies like Jalauddin Haqqani, Baituallh, and others...The problem is that would make it loose more sovereignty...

:(

I am myself not a Zardari lover either…but like it or not…he has the confidence of the majority of the people elected by the people of Pakistan…let’s all pray he proves our apprehensions to be wrong…and will bring much needed stability to our country…

Prove us wrong!

** Prove us wrong!**

Thursday, September 04, 2008
Ikram Sehgal

One reckoned that since Asif Ali Zardari would not risk declaring his assets, he would drop out of the race for the presidency in favour of his sister, Faryal Talpur. He proved us all wrong. The rather shocking surprise – an anomaly in our laws that allows the Head of State, the only holder of public office, not to declare his (or her) assets. For the record, Musharraf declared his assets every year, so did others before him. Given the stories about Zardari’s many medical reports rendered on oath in foreign courts, it may not be a matter of mental health or credibility any more; perjury is taken very seriously abroad. The president of Pakistan may be immune from prosecution within Pakistan, his person can be prosecuted by courts abroad. Putting himself “in the line of fire” (pun intended), running for the presidency is already an act of courage.

Democracy is alive and well in Pakistan, courtesy of the free and fair February 18 elections, will Pakistan remain alive and well is the real question? The intelligentsia have serious reservations about his candidacy, some are actually sick at the prospect of Zardari as president, the representatives our masses elected to parliament seem to think otherwise. Though not in overwhelming fashion, the people voted for the party of late Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto into power. Needing time to consolidate that process during the transition period of 90 to 120 days, the PPP could only achieve this because of the superb display of politicking by their co-chairman. The second major party, PML-N was kept guessing and off balance. On the basis of loyalty to him (and him alone) his people were placed in critical slots, he simultaneously fended off a nascent revolt within the party from his late wife’s loyalists. All done with dexterity and deadly intent! Was this meticulously planned “the day after” December 27 with his wife still to be buried, according to Clausewitz first principle of war (and peace), the selection and maintenance of aim?

Candidates Justice Saeeduzzaman Siddiqui and Mushahid Hussain Syed are men of good standing. Every CV has some blemish, “let him cast the first stone he who has not sinned”. Neither is any match for Zardari in political wheeling and dealing. Even if one of them steps down in the other’s favour and given that in a secret ballot some in the electoral college may be “conscientious objectors” and not toe the party line, Asif Zardari should still win by quite a hefty margin. Zardari has built up confidence internationally in circles that matter, in contrast to the storm in the US media the US administration is silent (and thereby by default supportive), thanks to the untiring efforts of Hussain Haqqani, a man for all seasons, and sometimes for all reasons! If the US props him up by pumping in money and stabilises our economy, this self-made billionaire will be successful in taking Pakistan out of the economic and political morass we find ourselves in, why should anyone have reason to complain?

**President Zardari is a reality staring us in the face and the sooner we come to terms with it the better. Despair among the intelligentsia on this prospect notwithstanding, pragmatists learn to live with the inevitable. With the buck now (almost) firmly on his desk, consider the personal and professional obstacles Asif Zardari must face. Lacking the personality profile to remain a ceremonial president, can he stay aloof from the day-to-day running of the affairs of the party, or indeed of governance? **

The first major challenge for the supreme commander will be the reservations of the armed forces. Having taken an oath to defend their country against all evils, their concern (and ours) should be the protection of the nation’s most closely guarded secret, our nuclear assets and the means to deliver them. As president, Zardari will be uniquely placed to exercise extraordinary control over our nuclear option and he will be no Rafiq Tarar. The uniformed seem to be fully satisfied that Zardari does not pose any national security threat. If not, Kayani will do well to re-read the clause about “disobedience of unlawful command” in the Manual of Pakistan Military Law (MPML) before he is reminded of that by his colleagues and subordinates. Duly egged on by the Indians (and one supposes the Israelis) the West has been trying their best to de-nuclearise us. Many still fear the worst, questioning why the US is comfortable with his candidacy despite his controversial credentials. The West has a history of compromising on principles to achieve their objectives. Gen Musharraf was no democrat and Bush did not even remember his name before 9/11, yet the US supported this trusted ally because it suited their strategic interests. One should take the positive route, and keep hoping that he will keep them off our backs. Do the right thing, Asif Zardari, and prove us wrong.

A major area of concern to the uniform will be what happens to the ISI. At the very least, there has been a concerted effort to emasculate its potential, at the worst to permanently put it out of business as a “rogue agency”. While some changes in hierarchy is the government’s prerogative and the political wing must be transferred to the IB, strong suspicions exist that attempts will be made to interfere with the role and functions of the ISI. Such a “civilian” coup was tried prior to the PM’s US visit, did Musharraf’s objections lead to his sudden ouster? And if the objections were from Kayani, what will happen to him? The ISI remains Pakistan’s sure guarantee that our external cordon of security is intact, rabid Pakistan-hater Zalmay Khalilzad’s “private” advisory role to Asif Zardari notwithstanding. Asif Ali Zardari should leave well enough alone and prove such extremely adverse and dangerous perceptions wrong.

Asif Zardari is a major beneficiary of NRO, that black law rescued him from accountability, what will Asif Zardari do about NAB? Call it by another name, the basic mechanics of accountability must remain. Unlike Zardari, Mian Sahib and family have a source of wealth through a well known business empire, it is an irony that they are now being targeted by NAB. This is a contradiction about NAB’s future, the PPP is willing to use NAB for political purposes even as some PPP leaders desperately want NAB to disappear to wipe out the evidence of their white-collar crimes. Asif Zardari should resolve this ambiguity and prove us wrong.

Running a presidential system with the full backing of parliament sanctioned by the democratic will of the people, Zardari will be a civilian dictator on the Cromwellian fashion. He will have a chance to show what military dictators always promise and initially put into effect but almost always compromise to elongate their stay in power, constant good governance with full impartial accountability. Having a major role in accountability, the media will have a good chance to evaluate the limits of its freedom, or otherwise.

If he does the right thing by the country, and by the face of it the army (in particular the army’s chief) is gambling on that, Asif Ali Zardari can prove all of us wrong!

The writer is a defence and political

analyst. Email: [email protected]

its
count of the head VS weight of the head.
Bad luck for pakistan that once bhutto captured the imagination of have nots, with is cheap shows/slogans.
Those morons will never vote for any one else no matter what. ppp winning election is bad luck for pakistan.

As far as present time's are concerned...mankind has not been able to devise a system of weighing the heads....till that time we should trust the democratic system and put our faith in collective decision making....by the people...according to the number of heads...

Re: Amreeka's operation in N-waziristan 16 Dead

If Pakistan politicaly not capable to excersis such ops in this area which 'occupants' consider as an independent anatomy "Ilaqa ghair" then such ops are correct to go ahaed either by PK or US. Both have an important agenda to rid this area off from alqaida & taliban pest. This region is pakistan's drug and weapon manufacturing cancerous mole since it's independents.
Loss of innocent lives are ofcourse deeply rgreted, but how many times this has happened in the past ? Did it change any thing ? Even zulfiqar Ali Bhotto boomed this area in 80's
Some one has to do this dirty job and must they do it NOW and bring an end to it before it dooms the region. Do'nt you get it ?

Weapons and drugs in Waziristan?

Raindance, you are in lala land.

The whole darn idea is to look good to someone, weather its Pak govt or USA arms forces and hey why not do that to someone who no one is the darn world will ask about.