Amir Muwiya's conversion to Islam

[aqeel123]

Re: Muawiya Sahab

@Code_Red

Brother please talk to me. This is my thread and I want discussion on subject matter only. Not wayward side topics of 1000 dimensions.

The topic is Mr. Muawiya’s life, his personality.

The only person who answered my questions with reference is Bao Bihari. I appreciate his response

If anyone is interested then please answer my other questions or quote any reference material for study. thanks in advance.

One more question :

**I want to know what Amir Muwiya did when militants put a siege on house of Hazrat Usman and it remained there for months. As per my info, Muwiya was Governor of Syria and other regions for more than a decade and history tells us that he commanded various battles on ground and inducted a naval force in that era too. He was virtually 2nd in command in that period and had mighty army behind him. Apart from that he was considered a political genius with a long experience of governing people. Did he try to distract militants (khwarji) from their line of action and resultant anarchy and martyrdom of Hazrat Usman ??? **

Bro in my very first post i tried to answer ur original post but it has been edited all over.

Other than that i think u have rocked the thread in two posts below

@Code_Red

Muawiya was a good politician, and sleek emperor.

The thread was de-railed and closed.

Thankyou Bao Bihari, I just read the book of Taqi Usmani Sahab

Actually it was not a book but a compilation of answers of various letters, questions and arguments of Malik sahab and moudodi sahab and Taqi sahab etc.

So, in short, we look at life story of Mr Muawiya then its quite simple.

-He was from a ruling class.
-He came into threshold of Islam when there was no way out.
-His mother’s name was Hinda ( We all know about cruel history, but anyone knows about her activities after change in life style ? )
-His elevation to the post of Governor of Syria
-His fight , talk , fight, battles, arguments, with Hazrat Ali
-His written Agreement with Hazrat Hasan
-His backtrack from agreement and start of Monarchy.

The End

I am a Sunni by default. Why it is considered compulsary for sunni folks to use sugar coated term and honarary connotation like Alaa hazrat & for every person who was some way or the other was in that bleak picture ??

Shia folks :

Finding a difference in a mistake and crime is not as difficult as making nuclear reactor.
Comparing Hazrat Umar and Mr. Muwiya is like comparing orange with peach. Later established monarchy and former strictly forbade it even though he had the same power. See the difference ?

@Code_Red

I am not disrespecting him just praising his leadership qualities. Please read again my first sentence.

Correct !

Sunnis don’t do Bad’gumani about historical personalities. Which is why I wholeheartidley support this attitude :k:

**But, sunni folks do too much khush’gumani about historical personalities. which is not good for health.

I do Acknowledge that sunni scholar give due precedence to merit and historical facts and thus I respect their research work. ‘Khilafat our Malookiat’ is a good example. It is beyond my comprehension, why Taqi Usmani sahab felt the need of defending Mr. Muawiya 's political hegemony by hook or by crook ?

I am strongly against disrespect of historical figures

But Why we have to praise these folks with so much effort of hiding dead bodies of thousands of sahaba who got killed while fighting against a rightly guided Caliph and then we somehow find a note that this dude used to send gifts to some of his old friends *

I think u r rite on point.