Americans storm Iranian Consulate; 5 hostages being held

[WitchDr]

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@Captain1

Fraudia, it is likely that the sectarian violence helped in Afghanistan/Pakistan because Shias are in minority (atleast in Pakistan) but in Iraq they are large majority (atleast per 'western' sources), there doesn't seem to be any reason for Iran to support the sectarian violence.

There is a definite and simple reason. Peace in Iraq at the moment will mean the success of U.S. strategy. Nobody will hate it more than Iran.

[Mr_Fraudia]

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@Ma Mooli

Throughout the whole two pages of discussion mr. fraudia, your main argument has been 'they were involved in other countries hence they must be involved in iraq aswell.’ Im sorry but if thats the logic you’re following then you hardly have any ground to stand on. The argument doesnt really hold any water, in that it woud never stand up in court, but if thats all you have to go on, then i guess…i’ll have to leave it be.

and you argument was that Iran is some innocent, ethical regime that has no reason to meddle in other countries affairs. I showed you that they have done so atleast in 3 countries. There is enough of a track record of Iran sticking its nose in other countries and engaging in sectarian violence. There is enough basis to consider it as a primary suspect.

[Mr_Fraudia]

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@Lajawab

Out of the hat or do you have proof?

I dont have a cancelled check, but you can do a simple search on saudi links with sipah sahaba and see the links yourself.

[garmihawathandapaani]

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@WitchDr

There is a definite and simple reason. Peace in Iraq at the moment will mean the success of U.S. strategy. Nobody will hate it more than Iran.

well put and correct

[Captain1]

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@WitchDr

There is a definite and simple reason. Peace in Iraq at the moment will mean the success of U.S. strategy. Nobody will hate it more than Iran.

For that Iran doesn't need to support 'sectarian' violence but 'insurgency' against foreign occupiers to prove to the world that invasion of a country doesn't get you anywhere other than shooting yourself in the foot. By flaring the sectarianism Iran is playing with fire and earning 'enemies' from within "Islamic countries".

[Seminole]

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@Captain1

By flaring the sectarianism Iran is playing with fire and earning 'enemies' from within "Islamic countries".

But are they really? Does anyone give a crap, enough to speak out or do something about it?

[garmihawathandapaani]

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^ in th epre W days USA would have done something about these things. W has made sure US doesn't have credibility anymore

[Captain1]

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@Seminole

But are they really? Does anyone give a crap, enough to speak out or do something about it?

I should've said "if Iran is flaring sectarianism ... "

[Seminole]

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Ok, **if **they are flaring sectarianism, will anyone give a crap, enough to speak out to actually do something about it? It doesn't appear anyone did when they did in a least in 3 other countries.

I think everyone is so busy blaming Americans or whoever they never acknowledge it when it does happen. Or did they develop enemies from within Islamic countries I am unaware of?

[Captain1]

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^ hate only gets hate in return, for all the sectarian violence be it in Iraq/Afghanistan/Pakistan the divide only grows, people do give crap but only to an extent of whining but as soon as the violence closes in they become part of it or become biased one way or other.

[Mr_Fraudia]

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@Seminole

Ok, **if **they are flaring sectarianism, will anyone give a crap, enough to speak out to actually do something about it? It doesn’t appear anyone did when they did in a least in 3 other countries.

I think everyone is so busy blaming Americans or whoever they never acknowledge it when it does happen. Or did they develop enemies from within Islamic countries I am unaware of?

Seminole, cant say for lebanon and afghanistan, but in Pakistan there was a very strong reaction to Iranian shenenigans, and not all of it always made it to papers, but diplomats expelled, charged even and complaints made to Iranian govt regarding their actions. The relations between teh countries had soured because of that also.

I do not mean my next sentence as an insult, just because it is not covered by CNN does not mean it did nto happen

[WitchDr]

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@Captain1

For that Iran doesn't need to support 'sectarian' violence but 'insurgency' against foreign occupiers to prove to the world that invasion of a country doesn't get you anywhere other than shooting yourself in the foot. By flaring the sectarianism Iran is playing with fire and earning 'enemies' from within "Islamic countries".

It will be unending list of what and what nots. By clandestinely supporting sectarian violence, Iran may want to show non-Shiites in bad light. I certainly cannot support my comment with any evidence.

[mercenary2k]

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I think by supporting the Shia Death Squads, Iran is shooting it self in the foot.

It reminds me when Pakistan supported the Mujahideen agasint Russia and now Pakistan is fighting the very people it created.

Iran by continuing to support the Shia Death Squads could create a situation in which Shia Iraqis would want to incorporate parts of Iran into their country because there are Arabs living there.

And besides, Iran is already angering many Arabs in the region as the Shia death squads continue to kill Sunnis who belong to prominent families in the rest of the Arab World.

This could lead to an Islamic civil war.

[zxcvb]

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Iran is thinking about it's long term interests.

1: Making a former enemy country (Iraq) into it's satellite province. Making a big buffer against the sunni arabs as well as controlling the oil.

[Ma_Mooli]

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@Fraudz

and you argument was that Iran is some innocent, ethical regime that has no reason to meddle in other countries affairs. I showed you that they have done so atleast in 3 countries. There is enough of a track record of Iran sticking its nose in other countries and engaging in sectarian violence. There is enough basis to consider it as a primary suspect.

No! That was never my argument! Infact several times ive mentioned look at the reason why iran has intefered in those countries and it has always, and always been to protect the shia minority. And because there's no such need in iraq, it is unlikely iran is interfering at the expense of their new formed diplomatic relationship with iraqi gov. That was my main argument.

Yes there is and has always been an influence on the iraqis at a diplomatic and religious level, and that will always be there, but that is influence, and not interference, and it will never go away unless the iraqi shias no longer exist.

[Mr_Fraudia]

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if we change the sentence from proytecting shia minority to watching out for shia interests, then you can see why iran would infact want to interfere. but that is a whole diff topic.

and again, intereference right now is not because they care for iraq, but that it keeps them off the hook, so while ahmedinjad and the syotollahs go build their nuke, US is spread too thin to really do anything about it. easiest way to do it, create more mayhem next door, easiest way for that, sectarian warfare.