American merceneries must be stopped

I am really getting sick and tired of reading this again and again that these american mercenries (read gora jihadis) who are caught red-handed, are being released by our treacherous govt.

This is a time for revolution. We all have to die one day, but at least we must die fighting for the peace and rule of law. At least we can assure that our next generations will live in a peaceful and prosperous Pakistan.

I am getting more and more convinced that american mercenries are involved in the terrorist activities in our country! I say kick them all out. Only authentic diplomats who do not trespass their mandate should be allowed to stay!!

We need a patriotic leader with some backbone, who could show americans a middle finger when they try to get terrorists released, who are caught red-handed!!!

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! Let the world see real face of these terrorists!

4 Americans nabbed with illegal arms in Islamabad | DesPardes.com

4 Americans nabbed with illegal arms in Islamabad

Once again, 4 American nationals were caught red-handed by Capital Police in the wee hours of Tuesday when they were carrying weapons publicly. However, they managed to secure release and continue their journey to a mysterious destination, sources informed.

According to details, police personnel deployed here at Nawaz Chowk, sector F-8, intercepted two suspicious vehicles in the wee hours of Tuesday. During the search, police recovered weapons from their custody. The riders of these vehicles were found, once again, to be American nationals.
To the surprise of many, the Americans were allowed to go along with their arms after an anonymous call that the officer in command at police picket received at the same time when preliminary investigation were being carried out from the foreigners.

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Its sad that our government is facing other side when it comes to this.

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it doesnt matter that much, anymore, but there is bigger 'mercenary' army in pakistan and it is a real army.

your problems are not caused by 4 persons carrying hand weapons, or a house full of explosives or blackwater at all.

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if you dont believe me just ask imran khan

Its not just 4 person, its thousands of american jihadis who are systematically asserting themselves in Islamabad, Peshawar and other big cities. Establishing their terror training camps, providing all sort of financial, logistic and intelligence aid to terrorists. And that too right in the heart of Pakistan!!!

For example these SOBs were caught while taking pictures/making videos of sensitive buildings!!

I can understand being unable to stop the undercover support of indians in the north who are training/financing/arming TTP and BLA terrorists via Afghanistan, but this is happening in Islamabad ... right under our noses!!!

On one point you are right, few people are not our problem... our problem is the lack of self-respecting leaders! Who can stand up and f**** kick these american jihadi arses out of our country!

We need leaders! True leaders!

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If they were carrying illegal weapons it is wrong. but mau ofer another view?

Due to the extensive international aid, projects and military actions the need for presence of foreigners has been high in Pakistan. These people need to be protected. The foreigners may be incapable of distinguishing between friend and foe and therefore perhaps they are opting for non-brown skinned guards? And these guards need weapons.

Nowadays since Ak47's and shoulder launchers have become very common, issuing these guards with pee shooter pistols is useless.

Perhaps someone better versed with Pakistani law on what weapons are legally allowed?

You are wrong...americans are divine beings and certainly our lords...we should be making sajda to them as soon as we lay our eyes on them...

I laugh at those clowns who think this is work of Amrika and Amrika is doing it to destroy Pakistan.Why would they want to destroy Pakistan when Pakistanis are destroying it themselves?Secondly American can chope off Pakistan economically without firing a single bullet by placing sanctions on us.Third, Logic apparently does not work with Taliban and their sympathizers.Sometimes Taliban claim responsibility but still their apologists come here and say its done by Amrika.

it doesnt matter to me whether they are american funded or not i just know one thing kill those Bas???ds and frankly putting american in everything seems to be of a kind of self deception.

people say muslims cant do that oh yes, what was happening in mosque before this war started have we forgotten 100s of people used to die every year in mosque bombings and it turn out these were the same lashkar -e-jhangvi and other sectarian groups.

so dont confuse yourself please like Hamid mir does.

  • Pakistan hater trolls are out to derail threads*

ALARM...

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^^ typical response by people who are weak intellectually.....

md is biased towards good and rejects evil plans of all types. that in my book beats you hands down

pakistan is a sovereign nation, which has a right to choose its policies without fear

I don't support the American presence in Pakistan, especially, since their presence poses serious security risks to other Pakistanis living in Islamabad. However, I know a bit behind the story. There is a new bunch of Americans in Islamabad who are $hit scared of the situation. However, their government has sent them here to do some advance audits to where the money can be properly spent to change the perception of Pakistanis against Americans. Some of these people have been given clearance to carry weapon for their own protection. Those caught were released on the order of IB.

^^ Bhai sahab, these are not simple scared people. They are american mercenaries on a mission here!

They are openly violating the law of host country, kidnapping/threatening its citizens. Running illegal training centers under the cover of workshops. Then importing illegal weapons in 100s.

Just imagine the hell that would have broken lose, if some Pakistani diplomats would be doing even one percent of this in Washington!

Our Pakistnai nation is the worst affected by terrorism in this world, so if anyone it should be we to be suspicious and paranoid by such activities in our motherland.

Nabbed with illegal arms again | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online

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Reportedly, it was the sixth incident in which the US Embassy officials/diplomats or nationals were found carrying weapons hiding in their vehicles during the last four months.
On June 23, 2009, a police team deployed at Khyber Chowk, G-9/4, intercepted a vehicle. The team found three American diplomats - Jeffery, Jeffdic and James Bill Koeen and driver Charlie Benzic - belonging to the regional security section of the US Embassy, in the guise of pakhtoons wearing Shalwar Kameez.
The police recovered four M-4 machineguns and four 9mm pistols from their possession after checking the vehicle. Before the police could lodge complaint against them, the diplomats were allowed to go after the intervention of US Embassy and Interior Ministry.
Another incident of this kind surfaced on August 5, 2009, when Police Inspector Hakim Khan was abused by a US security official namely John Arso as he (John) took out his pistol and harassed the inspector to a great extant. When contacted at that time, the US spokesman confirmed an exchange of harsh words. However, he said the US official never displayed pistol. The US security official was later sent back to Washington.
In yet another incident, on August 12, 2009, a Pakistani youth was intercepted and abused by a US Marine inside Diplomatic Enclave.
In another incident, on August 26, 2009, two US nationals stopped Mohsin Bukhari, owner of a petrol pump situated in F-6 at Agha Khan Road near Marriott Hotel. To the surprise of Mohsin, US officials took him to his petrol pump where three more investigators from US Embassy joined them. After questioning him for 30 minuets, the US team set him free.
Similarly, Another incident came to the surface where US embassy’s employee intervened in police matters. The incident occurred on October 6 when police arrested two Dutch diplomats who were carrying unlicensed weapons. However, the said diplomats were released on the spot on the intervention of diplomatic circles.
When said Dutch diplomats were being interrogated by police, a US embassy domestic employee namely Sunny Christopher (having US Embassy’s official card # 16570) reached there and interfered in the police matters.
Meanwhile, despite frequent attempts Interior Minister Rehman Malik could not be approached for comments over Tuesday’s incident.

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some countries(myanmar, sudan, china) have famously rejected even aid workers due the likelyhood of it being a front for covert operations

At moments like these I am glad that Pakistan's government, military, intelligence agencies, and main opposition movement are all run by level headed, sensible people who don't cave in to the wave of paranoia that is sweeping through so many of our countrymen.

The fact remains that no-one who is in a role to access official information about the activities of foreigners in Pakistan, has come out to accuse them of driving violence. They are not even hinting at this off the record, or leaking anonymously to the press.

No one, neither from our democratically elected government, or from the non-democratic army, or from the very intelligence agency (ISI) that is so vilified by the West, is coming out to anonymously say that the foreigners in our midst are behind violence, or presenting any evidence for this.

All the accusations are coming from people without access to intelligence data, and is based on conjecture and conspiracy theories. For the entire official world to keep quiet, you would need

1) Zardari to be a traitor & Senior Government to stay 100% loyal to Zardari : If there was any actual intelligence that foreign diplomatic staff were involved in terrorism, it would end up going to Senior Government officials and to Zardari. Both him, his cabinet, and all of their staffers who could possibly see it would have to be 100% committed to hiding all evidence from the public. What's the motivation? What could make everyone who could possibly know this want to keep it quiet?

2) Intelligence officials would have to keep quiet Not only government, but a whole chain of people in the intelligence services would have to keep quiet. If there was an order to turn a blind eye to foreigners carrying out acts of terrorism, especially at times like this, it would be unthinkable that everyone that order was issued to would keep quiet. You would need a massive conspiracy streching to encompass everyone involved in anti-terrorism in Pakistan to keep that quiet.
Or perhaps someone found evidence of foreign involvement? Perhaps they passed that knowledge on to their superior, who passed it on, and somewhere along the line a traitorous official hid it? Again, given the violence sweeping Pakistan, why would a junior official anywhere in that chain of knowledge not so much as leak a document to the press? Why is nobody in the intelligence agencies complaining anonymously that the government refuses to act against foreigners sotking violence? Is the entire, massive intelligence apparatus in Pakistan entirely turned against the country? (To answer yes, you must be intensely paranoid yourself)

3) The Army. The main intelligence agency, ISI, is for all intents and purposes accountable to the Army rather than the government, as the promotion and career of ISI's leadership is in the hands of the Army staff. This is the same Pakistan Army whose independence and patrotic credentials are validated by the clumsy effort by the US Congress to use the K-L Bill to remove control of its staffing and place it in Zardari's hands instead. Any information that ISI, the most effective intelligence agency in Pakistan, has would go throught the army, though a chain of officers. Everyone from ISI's analysts to the Army leadership would have to be committed to covering up - a long chain of individuals, all of who would need to want to hide evidence of foreign involvement. Again, if at any point someone was unhappy and thought that treason was going on, they could easily leak to the news.

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I personally find it unbelievable that such a vast, massive, and effective conspiracy of silence could exist in Pakistan without a single voice of dissent. In other societies, for example the UK and the USA, even as the government was dedicated to convincing the people and world that they needed to invade Iraq, there were many individuals in intelligence agencies and government who either spoke to the press off the record to say the evidence was weak, or who resigned and then spoke openly to the press.

What's more believable is that both civilian and military officials are fully aware of what is going on by foreigners. investigated, and know that it is harmless to Pakistan's interests. The weapons that foreigners have illegally been carrying, for instance, are named in the article as Western weapons, rather than the AK-47s that have been used in some of the recent attacks.

Indeed, the only anonymous comments coming out of security officials have been
1) recent attacks are by religious extremists
2) India is supporting Baloch separatists

That would be nothing new for you guys. After all you have been doing the same to your khariji masters like Taliban. You don't dare say a word in front of them, because otherwise you will be slaughtered like an animal by those manimals.

Just to put the record straight, I personally don't consider those TTP terrorists even animals, let alone humans. My views are very clear, once caught these TTP terrorists should be thrown to hungry dogs.

It is just to tell you that every proud nationalist Pakistani is disturbed by and has legitimiate concerns about open violations of Viena convention by americans.

They are deeply suspicious about myserious activities of americans when at 3 a.m. they go out and take pictures/make videos of sensitive buildings.

Saying so loudly does not automatically makes you a Taliban sympathizer or anti american. This world is much larger than either-you-are-with-us-or-against-us thing.

Hope you and other friends will get it.

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I personally find it unbelievable that such a vast, massive, and effective conspiracy of silence could exist in Pakistan without a single voice of dissent. In other societies, for example the UK and the USA, even as the government was dedicated to convincing the people and world that they needed to invade Iraq, there were many individuals in intelligence agencies and government who either spoke to the press off the record to say the evidence was weak, or who resigned and then spoke openly to the press.

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Whereas you reasoning is sound, I don't think a conspiracy on the level of individual attacks, nor foreign forces (foe or friendly alike) being able to buy key figures to collude and push certain agendas, is far removed from the realm of the possible. What would be insane is a blanket conspiracy by the entire establishment, but that would be a particularly paranoid argument. The truth always comes in shades of gray, and the fact is we'll never know it.

As for chatter before the conspiracy...there was none to speak of before Kargil either. And I do count that as a rather grand conspiracy on the part of the Pakistani establishment, wholesale.

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excellent post Maddie.

I havent found a source for this news except for the nation.com.pk, which Im unsure about the reliability of. Anyone find corroboration, if its the sixth such incident then it should be widely reported surely?