American education system K12. Good or Bad?

How do you’ll rate the American education system , especially KG-12 grade as compared to your home country.?


Watching the Jobs Go By
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

Published: February 11, 2004
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/11/opinion/11KRIS.html

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The topic today is the growing furor over the outsourcing of jobs to India — and, more broadly, educational lapses here. One reason for the jobless recovery in the U.S. is that it doesn’t make much sense to have an American radiologist, say, examine your X-ray when it can be done so much more cheaply in New Delhi.

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Indeed, why should computer software be written, taxes prepared, pathology specimens examined, financial analysis done or homework graded in the U.S., when all of that can be done more cheaply in Bangalore? I.B.M. is moving thousands of jobs to India and China, and Reuters says it will have Indian reporters cover some U.S. companies from there.

All this is unsettling. But to me the alarm seems overwrought — and dangerous, for it is likely to fuel calls for protectionism. A dozen years ago, there was a similar panic about high-tech jobs going abroad, and people said that Asia would be making computer chips while Americans produced potato chips.

Instead, free trade worked. Some autoworkers lost their jobs, but America emerged stronger than ever. Studies by Catherine Mann of the Institute for International Economics suggest that it is the same this time. Outsourcing raises American productivity, gives our economy a boost, increases foreign demand for U.S. products and leaves us better off.

Yet, as an Indian friend, Sunil Subbakrishna, pointed out to me, there is one step we should take in response to this wave of outsourcing: bolster our second-rate education system.

Mr. Subbakrishna, a management consultant specializing in technology, notes that in his native Bangalore, children learn algebra in elementary school. All in all, he says, the average upper-middle-class child in Bangalore finishes elementary school with a better grounding in math and science than the average kid in the U.S.

I saw the same thing when I lived in China and interviewed college applicants there. The SAT wasn’t offered in China, so Chinese high school students took the Graduate Record Examinations — intended for would-be graduate students — and many still scored in the 99th percentile in math.

The latest international survey, called Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study, found that the best-performing eighth graders were, in order, from Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Japan, Belgium and the Netherlands. The U.S. ranked 19th, just after Latvia. (India and China weren’t surveyed.)

“For too many graduates, the American high school diploma signifies only a broken promise,” declares a major new study released yesterday by three education policy organizations. Called the American Diploma Project, it found that 60 percent of employers rated graduates’ skills as only “fair” or “poor.”

The broader problem is not just in schools but society as a whole: There’s a tendency in U.S. intellectual circles to value the humanities but not the sciences. Anyone who doesn’t nod sagely at the mention of Plato’s cave is dismissed as barely civilized, while it’s no blemish to be ignorant of statistics, probability and genetics. If we’re going to revere Plato, as we should, we should also remember that his academy supposedly had a sign at the entrance: “Let no one ignorant of geometry enter here.”

In 1957, the Soviet launching of Sputnik frightened America into substantially improving math and science education. I’m hoping that the loss of jobs in medicine and computers to India and elsewhere will again jolt us into bolstering our own teaching of math and science.

I think there are different issues here

1) education system capability
2) jobs moving offshore

1) There are number of issues in US k-12 education system. One of the interesting things is that ineer city schools have a much bigger problem. the gap between good and bad schools is quite significant. If the entire education system was bad, we would not see the scientists, businessmen, lawyers, accountants and physicians that are a product of this system.

In some other countries, there are many who dont even get primary education so off teh bat the pool for comparison is smaller.

2) jobs moving offshore

increase costs so it costs the employers the same whether they have the work done here or overseas, and then count how quickly the offshore service centers declare bankruptcies. It is not a factor of need, but of costs.

I believe there are very big issues here in the US schools. Like Fraudia said, there is an ever-widening gap between the good schools and the bad schools. It is not just in the inner city schools, though. Here in this state, it is the difference between the rural (read - POOR) school districts and the urban (well-funded) school districts.

In class the other day, our prof talked to us about the bussing problems for some students in her rural county. Children must get on the bus at 6:15AM and ride for an hour or longer before getting to school. After school, they do not reach home until well after 4:15 or 4:30PM. While this may be fine for older students, it made me think of 4 and 5 year old children having to ride the bus many times in the dark. How tired they must be! It is generally the poorer families who must live out in the hills. Some of the kids only get food when they are in school. How are children from this school area supposed to complete with children from an area just 40km away, who simply walk to school at 7:45AM and return home by 3:30PM. THey are well-fed, live close to facilities such as libraries, businesses, a grocery store, etc.

I will get off of my soapbox now - :blush: My point (and I do have one) is that the US needs to fix many things in its own schools, but we will always have those who “have” and those who “have not.” And I am not certain how we instill a desire for education in those children who simply have a desire for warm clothes or parents who come home at night.

anahndi

I am in agreement with you, there are many issues in schools that need to be fixed here..no doubt.

the other point which takes nothign away from teh first point is..

when we compare students..lets compare the haves, to the haves of other nations and the have nots to the have nots of other nations.

whereas they talk about kids learnign algebra in elementary school in bangalore, they forget to mention that teh have-nots in India barely get to eat let alone go to school, and its the same case in pakistan.

I see your point. At least in the US, even the poorest children usually attend school and are provided a warm breakfast and lunch.

It would be interesting to see a valid comparison of the two sections of each country - especially Asia and US.

Growing up, if I ever tried to complain about homework or something petty about school, Mum would always tell me "Too bad, young lady, if you were going to school in [fill in the country;)] you would have learned this material when you were just 7!" haha