America has right to interfere in Pakistan's affairs...

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Med911 bhai where do you honestly think all that money has gone...

Oh let me think... our leaders invest it all in foriegn banks, foriegn luxuries and foriegn policy.

Our people starve and die for lack of medicine while our politicians dine and wine like kings.

If this is not sorted out then people will either become religous fanatics and fight thier way out... Islam is a revolutionary religion in every sense of the word.

Or they will be secular fanatics and either way there will be violence if things are not changed via political processes.

However I predict that with a swamp like political system that is festering like a mire... people will give up hope in the debating chamber and hack it to firewood with blade and AK.

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India built itself into a secure nation. It wasnt born as one.

Pakistan im sure could do a lot. But without funding, it cant barely pay for itself. To start walking on its own, Pakistan needs a modicum of economic stability, and that wont happen without help from the IMF and opther donors.

You gotta be practical here. Sentiment is nice, and I totally agree with you. But the reality is that Pakistan can ill afford to be without donors like the US, despite all the negative influence it exerts.

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Much of it probably was siphoned of. But at least some of it ended up where it should. Which is why we arent in a complete collapse. Remember how bad it was around the end of 2008?

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Pakistan is a totally dysfunctional state. So obviously it has to be looked after.

US gave Pakistan Aid money and Pakistanis kept to themselves instead of dispensing it for economic improvements.

So what do you expect?

Its American money and they have a right to see where it is spent.

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Your heart is in the right place, but unfortunately Pakistani circumstances aren't where they ought to be.

Let me be the devil's advocate for a moment and ask you this:

USA wants to deal with Pakistan. Who are they going to dialogue with or rather "bribe" to have their way? Not the public. Because every nation seeks to deal with a representative. Unfortunately, Pakistani representative at the moment seem to be the pocket liners. So along comes USA with its carrot and stick and the Pakistani representatives accept the terms. Sure, the public might not like it but then again public isn't coming out in droves to protest it either. If the same momentum that was found during Judiciary restoration was found on all current matters which are disliked, you would see results.

But here's the thing: Those leading the momentum at the time have gone quiet because they've been served with their demands. Aitzaz Ahsan is now pretty much a part of PPP. CJ is doing his job to the extent he can possibly do it without rocking the boat and risk sinking it altogether. Political leaders are either part of the Govt. or don't want to disturb the Govt because they want their turn soon.

Leaderlessness is the illness facing Pakistan. Sincere representatives aren't present, so USA is having its' own demands met. If circumstances change, perhaps Pakistan will stop accepting the aid (according to the wishes of Pakistani public) and USA will have little or no leverage. Then Pakistan can flip off disliked policies or terms and go about its own way.

We've got a bit of a way to achieve that still. Till then I'm afraid Pakistani representatives will keep accepting aid and USA will keep dictating and micromanaging Pakistani affairs.

It's bitter, but it is what it is, as it is at the moment. We can all hope for it to improve but without sincere representation that's a stark chance.

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in short we cant blame others we are paying the price of deal after shaking hand with a devil. Its us who are wrong it us who are grabing our necks by our own hands, so stop blaming others because as a nation we sold ourself for nothing but a violant and corrupt state, and dont even blame on politicians or generals its us who give them rights and power of decesions, so every single adult Pakistani is quite responcible for this mess.

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Frankly I believe once again Geo has misquoted an American to cause drama. The Ambassador is right in the following regard. Any donor regardless of who it is and who the recipient country is has a right to know where their money goes. That means specifically the projects they are involved in. The same applies to Mexico as it does Pakistan. In the past the EU has loaned money to Pakistan for Drug enforcement and counter-narcotic operations. In that specific case they have every right to interfere in the project itself if the money ends up being looted or misappropriated.

This gentleman is a seasoned diplomat and by no means would make the mistake of making such a faux pas in a public gathering. If he referred to interference in the projects themselves, then he is completely correct. I highly doubt it applied to all our economic and internal policies.

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Re: America has right to interfere in Pakistan’s affairs…

^ well the same news is in almost all Pakistani papers, so he did say that and most of us already knew that…its only for the first time the americans have admitted that openly…wikileaks also exposed our politicians and generals and the relationship they had with the americans…

Washington’s wisdom

Sunday, January 09, 2011

All of us who have studied international affairs, even at the most rudimentary level, will be aware that wisdom is not necessarily a hallmark of US foreign policy. **Traits which the rest of the world often sees as demonstrating arrogance or self-centredness have meant Washington has, time and again, taken steps that inflict immense damage on other nations. We have only to examine America’s actions in Latin America, Iraq and in Afghanistan for unhappy proof of this. But we see also what seems to be a reluctance to learn from mistakes. **It should not be too much to expect that by now leaders in the US would have recognised that many, **perhaps most, of Pakistan’s problems with militancy stem from the suspicion, even hatred, of America that exists within the country. A great deal of this arises from the perception that Pakistan’s sovereignty has been repeatedly eroded by Washington and that key decisions which affect people in the country are made many thousands of miles away in the United States of America. **

There can be little doubt that fuel will have been poured on the flames by the comments of US ambassador Cameron Munter, who on Friday went on record as saying that the US had a right to interfere in our affairs because it was our principal donor and it wanted to see its money well spent. While there may be a grain of truth in his comment it is not the way to win the hearts and minds of the people of Pakistan. It would, undoubtedly, be in the interests of both nations to make an effort to alter this impression. Yet Hillary Clinton’s terse comments criticising the reduction in POL prices announced by the government will have only acted to further alienate people already bearing the burden of soaring inflation from Washington, while also raising questions as to whether Pakistan had been stripped of the right to make decisions on its own. These questions are important ones and will determine a great deal about the future. It is important to set the right tone. It is unrealistic to expect a total US detachment from Pakistan. Given our perilous economic situation we cannot really afford this either. But a more equal relationship is certainly both attainable and desirable. We need to move towards this and build confidence that nobody else will be permitted to decide for us what is in our interest. At the moment a relationship is being developed with the acting US special representative for Pakistan and Afghanistan, Frank Ruggiero, who during his visit to Pakistan stressed that the strategic partnership with Islamabad would be continued. Its terms should at this point be clarified by Pakistan and the need to retain control over our own future emphasised as an essential prerequisite to reducing the distrust for the US that exists almost everywhere in our country and is derived from years of attempts by Washington to determine the course of events within it.

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they may have right to interfere in PPP, MQM, PMLN, ANP and other's affairs, but in Pakistan's affairs. they are not paying Pakistan, they are paying these crooks.

and i agree what faris

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**This news is a classic example of an official being misquoted, and thus resulting in sensational news that helps increase news agency ratings. Unfortunately, this kind of journalism creates more harm than good and strays away from the path of good journalism. News agencies should have posted Ambassador Munter’s actual words so people could read what he said and judge for themselves. After reading his accurate statement people would have realized that this news is fabricated. **

**For clarification purposes, here is Ambassador Munter’s statement, “If we seem intrusive, it is because we care. We are Pakistan’s largest donor. Our aid comes as an outright grant of assistance, which is very different from offering loans that must be repaid”. Also, contrary to the tone of this news, Ambassador Munter stressed that the U.S will aim for our work to be clearer, and more open, and that we will make efforts to fully respect and understand the Pakistani culture, tradition and history. We fully recognize and respect Pakistan’s sovereignty and independence regarding every decision they make. There are extremist elements like the TTP that want to undermine the Pak-US relationship, and twisted news of this nature, unless challenged, only helps these extremists in their goal. **

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^ mate do you want to say that America does not interfere in other countries affairs??? people in the world already know how the americans like to poke their noses into other countries. Wikileaks is enough to show what kind of private discussions americans have with pakistani politicians/army officials. Pakistani government took back the rise of petroleum products, and Hillary Clinton issued a statement against the price reduction! Drone attacks are also not a breach of sovereignty, if not then what is interference in pakistani affairs?

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I dont know who you are, but it pains me to see the situation of Afghanistan and Pakistan, and the reason as always is American dirty interference in the region since 1979. The situation in the region will improve when you guys end your dirty war, leave the region and mind your own business!

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Faqeeroon ka koi right nahi hota, koi izzat nahi hotee. Even when you take car loan of 10k, loan company dictate exactly what you can spend that loan at here we are taking billions from US off course they will dictate us.

Allah karey itnee ghairat aa jayee k bheek mangna band ker k khud kuch ker sakeen then we can say thank you but no, thank you.

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Re: America has right to interfere in Pakistan’s affairs…

Statements for public are different as compared to private discussions

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Pak won’t tolerate US ‘great game’ in region**

Updated at: 1909 PST, Wednesday, January 12, 2011
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Wednesday made it clear to the US that it will not tolerate the latter’s ‘great game’ in the region, Geo News reported.

According to the sources at Pakistan’s Foreign Office, Pakistan has made it clear to the visiting US vice president Joe Biden that Pakistan will not tolerate US ‘great game’ in the region.

Joe Biden had admitted foreign intrusion in areas located along Pak-Afghan border, sources added. Biden, however, agreed that Afghan problem could not be resolved only through use of force.

“No US boot will tread on Pakistani soil and there will be no violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty and territorial integrity,” the US vice president was quoted as saying by FO sources.

The sources also said that the US had been offered to become part Afghanistan’s reconstruction process.

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I agree with you, our government is basically coward and greedy and we have to suffer the consequences! We have forgotten Iqbal's "khudi" and thats why are being disgraced.

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btw, my post was directed at all of us (including myself off course) and not only at Govt. Here we are who sip-up billions of $ of Tea yearly without realizing that we have to pay foreign exchange for that. We spend and cherish millions spend on fountains, tiling of traffic circles, thousands spent on "model" of Pakistani atomic bomb and missiles and then thousands more to fix those on traffic circles but how many of us cherish a new school in our area? these are just little example of our priorities

Nations are built ground up and not from top to bottom.

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Salaam!

Technically speaking, America has all rights to interfere in Pakistan whenever and wherever they wish in any and all sectors of the country because we are, after all, their 57/8/9th state in the federation (depending on how many other banana republics they manipulate that you want to count in). The fact that their bills are being passed in our national assembly is proof enough of this.

America is looking out for their interests, whether it is bombing Waziristan, setting up pseudo-Taliban as an excuse to invade, maneuvering economic policies or puppet-mastering politicians. As a state, they are doing what is best for their nation, even if it means neo-colonialism and exploitation of other countries.

If we as a nation or state are not defending our interests and willingly subjugating ourselves to their every fancy, you can't really blame them. Give an inch, they'll take a yard. I'm not defending their actions, nor am I advocating the schoolyard bully mentality in the form of international relations, but this is reality and whining about how "bad" they are won't make any difference.

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Since America gives us billion dollars of Aid they have every right.

Beggars can't be choosers.

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When Muslims lose their way then they will be defeated and ridiculed by the worst example of their rivals.

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US provides funds to the corrupt Pakistani leadership and in return has the right to demand what it wants. Otherwise what does the US get out of it? Some people in here are being ignorant but facts remain that US runs everything in Pakistan.