America blossoms in Afghanistan.

Now that Shariah rule is over in Mullah Omar’s former southern stronghold, it is not only televisions, kites and razors which have begun to emerge.

Visible again, too, are men with their ashna, or beloveds: young boys they have groomed for sex.

Before the Taleban arrived in 1994, the streets were filled with teenagers and their sugar daddies, flaunting their relationship.

Locals tell you that birds fly over the city using only one wing, the other covering their posterior. The rape of young boys by warlords was one of the key factors in Mullah Omar mobilising the Taleban.

In the summer of 1994, a few months before the Taleban took control of the city, two commanders confronted each other over a young boy whom they both wanted to sodomise.

In the ensuing fight civilians were killed. Omar’s group freed the boy and appeals began flooding in for Omar to help in other disputes.

By November, Omar and his Taleban were Kandahar’s new rulers. Mullah Omar immediately suppressed homosexuality.

Men accused of sodomy faced the punishment of having a wall toppled on to them, usually resulting in death (according to Shariah). In February 1998 three men sentenced to death for sodomy in Kandahar were taken to the base of a huge mud and brick wall, which was pushed over by tank. Two of them died, but one managed to survive.

"When the Taleban came, they were very strict about the ban. Of course, it still happened — the Taleban could not enter every house — but one could not see it.” But for the first time since the Taleban took positions in the mountains, one can see the pairs returning. There appears to be no shame or furtiveness about them, although when approached, they refuse to talk to a western journalist.

“They are just emerging again,” Torjan said. “The fighters (Afghan-US alliance) too now have the boys in their barracks. This was brought to the attention of Gul Agha, who ordered the boys to be expelled, but it continues. The boys live with the fighters very openly. In a short time, and certainly within a year, it will be like pre-Taleban: they will be everywhere.”

“When a man sees a boy he likes — the age they like is 15 or 16 — they will approach him in the street and start talking to him, offering him tea,” said Muhammad Shah, a shop owner. “Sometimes they go looking in the football stadium, or in the cinema (which has yet to reopen).”

“He then starts to give him presents, hashish, or a watch, a ring, or even a motorbike. One of the most valued presents is a fighting pigeon, which can be worth up to 0 (£277). These boys are nearly always innocent, but such is the poverty here, they cannot refuse.”

Once the boy falls into the man’s clutches — nearly always men with a wife and family — he is marked for life, although the Kandaharis accept these relationships as part of their culture.

When driven around, ashna sit in the front passenger seat. The back seat is simply for his friends. Even the parents of the boys know in their hearts the nature of the relationship, but will tell people that their son is working for the man. They, like everyone else, will know this is a lie. “They say birds flew with both wings with the Taleban,” Muhammad said. “But not any more.”

Of course if this is really happening, these men should be punished and the practice needs to be stopped. It is disgusting and against the laws of man and of all religions, and goes completely against nature as well.

However I still say, it is a good thing the Taliban, are gone. From what I have seen on tv and the internet, they did far more bad things than good.

Brenda


Hope for the best, prepare for the worst!!!

I would ask u not to judge Afgahanistan by sitting cosy there in US whatever comes on Cnn or fox channel. Ask the afghan people whats the difference between Taliban and the NA warlords and what will be the difference between Karzai and Taliban in the future when and if the US moves out. People who know the afgan mind know what will happen.

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This practice is older than the conversion of Afganistan in the 600's, is it not? It will take another concerted effort to tamp it down again, no doubt. Is it very likely to be able to enforce a law against this behavior, extra-shariah; ie. secularly? What would happen without Western presence? I am aware of some of the reasons for the Taliban from television sources. This was covered by the media in very well done documentaries here in the US.

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This practice is older than the conversion of Afganistan in the 600's, is it not? It will take another concerted effort to tamp it down again, no doubt. Is it very likely to be able to enforce a law against this behavior, extra-shariah; ie. secularly? What would happen without Western presence? I am aware of some of the reasons for the Taliban from television sources. This was covered by the media in very well done documentaries here in the US.
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This is a practice among influencial people the like of warlord and high dignitories, commoners are less into that. In our relegion its considered one of the most evil practices in the society. Sharia stopped it, now its gone the warlord again go for theor lust. No secular law would be acceptable for muslims.

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I hope you raised your voice up in complaint when the Taliban were raping women.

November 1, 1998
Survivors Describe Taliban “Killing Frenzy”
Human Rights Watch urges U.N. Investigation of Massacre.
August massacre of civilians by Taliban troops in Mazar-i Sharif is one of the worst atrocities of Afghanistan’s long civil war, Human Rights Watch said in a new report released today.
In a very brutal war, this is a particularly brutal episode," said Patricia Gossman, senior researcher of Human Rights Watch’s Asia Division. “We are talking about the systematic execution of perhaps 2,000 civilians, in large part because of their ethnic and religious identity.”
Taliban troops also killed civilians in aerial bombardments and rocket attacks on panicked citizens fleeing southward out of the city, toward the Alborz mountains. Human Rights Watch is also concerned by persistent reports that women and girls, particularly in certain Hazara neighborhoods of Mazar-i Sharif, were raped and abducted during the Taliban takeover of the city.

http://www.hrw.org/press98/nov/afgh1102.htm

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NA Hazara fighters were killed in war not for their ethnic identity and the very same NA were postioning themselves in villages and towns taking on the Taliban from villages. Dont put the blame of rape incidents on every taliban, the few got their punishments.

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Very misleading title to this post!

Afghan society has condoned this behavior for centuries, long before America was even a country. It is Pashtun, not American culture that is blossiming in Afghanistan. Some quotes you neglected to include from the same article:

“This Pashtun tradition is even reflected in Pashtun poetry, odes written to the beauty and complexion of an ashna, but it is usually a terrible fate for the boys concerned. It is practiced at all levels of Pashtun society, but for the poorer men, having an ashna can raise his status.”

“Kandahar’s Pashtuns have been notorious for their homosexuality for centuries, particularly their fondness for naïve young boys. Before the Taliban arrived in 1994, the streets were filled with teenagers and their sugar daddies, flaunting their relationships. Kandahar is called the homosexual capital of south Asia. Such is the Pashtun obsession with sodomy”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/618955/posts

It is difficult to put Afgan warlord and sodomy in the same mental picture. With AIDS as a serious health concern, education is needed to keep this at bay. Does this also exist in Indian culture?

I heard of this from Afghan refugees themselves. Its a pretty disturbing practice - not only by Islamic standards, but also American (western standards) - especially if it involves the exploitation of these boys. Legislating rules around sexual practice is not unique to the Taliban, even in Canada and America, there is legislation regarding sex with minors, pedophilia, child molestation, etc.

I don't know if AIDS is as much a concern here (it definitely still is), but a bigger concern is probably the child abuse associated with this practice. I have to be honest, I don't know many details around it. Even if its consensual, there is the question of the ability of a 14 year old to consent to this type of abuse - and with the exchange of goods, it can be interpreted to be child prostitution. In which case it was rightfully made illegal by the Taliban.

Achtung

I would like to inform u not to say afghan society. afghans are mixed nation. As for pashtuns i have told u before that all these poetry about ashnas and the ashna themselves are more to do with warlords and dignitories people . A commoner doesnt do that. Its anti islamic practice. I am pashtun i have never heard of this in my family. But i should say that it exists among the warlords specially.

for the person who said wrong title to the post, this practice was banned in taliban days, it was illegal, there were severe punishments for this evil, but now since the taliban are gone, and America controls it, it has returned to street level.

You said afghans condne it as a cultural thing, one cultural thing that is the veil was targeted by Bush’s wife as medieval and backwards yet u dont hear anything about the other evil practice of child rape from either Bush or his wife.

being gay is very gay

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Seminole a white woman went to Africa and she wrote this “The difference between a niggro and a guerrilla is that the niggro can speak.”

The reason why I quoted the quote was to show you the arrogance of such people. The Pashto word Ashna means lover, like the urdu word Jaan. It doesn’t mean young gay boy/lover.

Do you think someone from the west will really care to look into it and find out what it really stands for? Most of these reports have a job to do, and if that means writing some bias BS, then so is it.

In another such recent article by a western reporter these young boys were called as “halaakan”. The reporter stated that this is the term used by men to describe such gay lovers. The ignorant western reporter don’t know that the word “halaak” means guy/boy, there for “halaakan” means guys/boys.

But who cares? He/She had to make a living, and if that meant he/she had to write some BS, then it was so.

My grandfather used to call us to dinner by shouting “halaakano, tekalay ta rashay”, meaning: “Boys, come to dinner” He didn’t mean: “My gay/faggot lovers, come to dinner.”

Now as far as it is concerned with its being a Pashtun tradition, that is like saying that molesting their own daughters, sons and grandchildren is a tradition of white folks in America, because most of these people when caught happens to be white.

Take a look at your Catholic Priests and the people arrested in the recent operation called “Candy Man”. From the school truck driver, to the police men that were involved in the child sex ring, were all white.

This exists in every society when ever there is a chance for monsters to feed on innocent young.

Remember, the Taliban were Pashtun also, and the hated this and opposed this so much that once when 3 of their soldiers where caught, they were buried under a wall.

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ohh, thats gross those poor kids! how could people do that

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? completely agree with shariah law, they should be killed, tortured to death, what they deserve

Oh My God !!! how disgusting!!, cant believe this happenin' commonly in a muslim country!! Yuck, TOBAH TOBAH!! kill the *******s who are doin this!!

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