America – The Colonial War on Iraq

Bush Pushes To Use Iraq - Oil To Pay For US War

WASHINGTON - Bush administration officials are considering proposals that the United States tap Iraq’s oil to help pay for a military occupation.

Such a move is likely to prove highly inflammatory in an Arab world already suspicious of US motives in Iraq.

Officially, the White House agrees that oil revenue would play an important role during an occupation period, but only for the benefit of Iraqis, according to a National Security Council spokesman.

But there are strong advocates inside the administration, including in the White House, for appropriating the oil funds as “spoils of war,” according to a source who has been briefed by participants in the talks.

“There are people in the White House who take the position that it’s all the spoils of war,” said the source, who asked not to be named. “We (the United States) take all the oil money until there is a new democratic government.”

The source said the Justice Department had doubts about the legality of such a move.

Another source, who has worked closely with the office of Vice-President Dick Cheney, said several officials there are also urging that Iraq’s oil funds be used to defray the cost of occupation.

A spokeswoman for Mr Cheney, Jennifer Millerwise, declined to talk about “internal policy discussions”.

Using Iraqi oil to pay for an occupation would reinforce a belief in the Middle East that the conflict is about control of oil, not rooting out weapons, according to a recently retired professor of Arab studies at Georgetown University, Halim Barakat.

“It would mean that the real . . . objective of the war is not the democratisation of Iraq, not getting rid of Saddam, not to liberate the Iraqi people, but a return to colonialism,” he said.

The Congressional Budget Office estimates the cost of an occupation would range from $US12 billion ($A20.8 billion) to $US48 billion a year, and officials believe an occupation could last 18 months or more.

Iraq’s proven oil reserves are second in the world only to Saudi Arabia’s. But how much revenue could be generated is an open question. The budget office estimates Iraq now is producing nearly 2.8 million barrels a day, with 80 per cent of the revenue going for the United Nations Oil for Food Program or domestic consumption.

Rense

Comment: The Islamic ideology provides the only real alternative to the Capitalist dominated world we live in today. Islam provides both solutions that address the spiritual and political voids in society. In contrast to the colonialist foreign policy of the Capitalist states, Islam seeks simply to spread its ideas and system so that the injustices of human inspired legislation is removed. The Islamic ideology has spawned a great civilisation, which was implemented and led the world for centuries. It excelled in scientific achievement and advancement while Western Europe decayed during the dark ages. It was not without reason that Christians fought alongside Muslims against the Crusaders in the eleventh and twelfth centuries since they believed in the superiority of living under the Islamic Khilafah. This was confirmed by thousands of Jews three centuries later who having been banished after the Spanish Inquisition left for the sanctuary of the Islamic Khilafah. This is because the Islamic Khilafah applied to the letter of the law the Prophet of Islam’s statement “Whoever harms a dhimmi (non-Muslim citizen) harms me”. Look at the history of Palestine under Islam and compare it to when it was ruled by the Crusaders and more recently by the Jewish occupiers.

"Your" comment looks suspicously like writings straight from khilafahkhilafah.com. Did you actually write this diatribe or just neglect to give credit to the mullah who did? Either way, it is full of innaccuracies, self-righteousness and centuries-old philosphies that would fail in a modern and educated world.

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"Your" comment looks suspicously like writings straight from khilafahkhilafah.com. Did you actually write this diatribe or just neglect to give credit to the mullah who did? Either way, it is full of innaccuracies, self-righteousness and centuries-old philosphies that would fail in a modern and educated world.
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No, I think your belief is full of 'innaccuracies, self-righteousness and centuries-old philosphies that would fail in a modern and educated world'

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No, I think your belief is full of 'innaccuracies, self-righteousness and centuries-old philosphies that would fail in a modern and educated world'
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First you use khilafahkhilafah.com's words, then you use mine. Are you not capable of thinking for yourself?

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First you use khilafahkhilafah.com's words, then you use mine. Are you not capable of thinking for yourself?
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You always go on a personal crusade because you have nothing to defend. You don't have a belief of your own but rather are subservient to freedom & Capitalism.

Now if you don't mind the subject of the post is Colonial war on Iraq. Try defending that the war is not a colonial one.

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Now if you don't mind the subject of the post is Colonial war on Iraq. Try defending that the war is not a colonial one.
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No one's planning on adding any stars to the flag, KM! That's what it would take!

Peace To All Who Read This...

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No one's planning on adding any stars to the flag, KM! That's what it would take!

Peace To All Who Read This...
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The star of Colonialism already exists it's called 'America'

Witty, but, no subtance! You can do better KM!

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A U.S.-led ouster of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein could open a bonanza for American oil companies long banished from Iraq, scuttling oil deals between Baghdad and Russia, France and other countries, and reshuffling world petroleum markets, according to industry officials and leaders of the Iraqi opposition.

Although senior Bush administration officials say they have not begun to focus on the issues involving oil and Iraq, American and foreign oil companies have already begun maneuvering for a stake in the country’s huge proven reserves of 112 billion barrels of crude oil, the largest in the world outside Saudi Arabia.

The importance of Iraq’s oil has made it potentially one of the administration’s biggest bargaining chips in negotiations to win backing from the U.N. Security Council and Western allies for President Bush’s call for tough international action against Hussein. All five permanent members of the Security Council – the United States, Britain, France, Russia and China – have international oil companies with major stakes in a change of leadership in Baghdad.

Washingtonpost

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The Iraqi people have suffered enough. Bush and Blair should send the inspectors in and let them do their job. I don’t think Iraq can even make half of what is claimed. If the politicians can get rid of Saddam Hussein they can put someone there who will be a puppet and then they will reap the benefits in terms of oil. This isn’t a war against terrorism it is about oil.

Gaurdian

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Of course war with Iraq is all about oil! Do you seriously suppose that if Swaziland or Bhutan had an evil tyrant with biological, chemical and possibly nuclear weapons, and a track record of mass murder of his own subjects as well as aggressive designs against his neighbors, but no oil, the US would give him more than routine condemnation?

That said, what after all is wrong with going to war for oil? Even though the US gets little oil from Iraq, others do, or would in the aftermath of our victory, bringing the price down and stimulating the world economy. Personally, I can’t think of anything more worth fighting for than oil, unless perhaps air or water. On to Baghdad!

Daniel-Pipes

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http://www.iacenter.org/iraq_congress.htm

http://www.bintjbeil.com/articles/en/021017_owen.html

http://www.newdream.org/iraq.html

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1113-08.htm

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/business/Nightline/NTL_oil_iraq_021004.html

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Comment: Muslims and non-Muslim have come to realise that this war is a Colonial war that America hides behind white lies of human rights and protection of humanity.

Everytime I read these leftwing publications say the US puts oil over human lives, I would almost laugh if outcome of their misguided thoughts weren't so tragic! Saddams palaces and monuments are built on the bodies of his victims, and made with mortar made with their blood!

Maybe Saddam should have lived up to his first set of broken agreements! After all, we KNOW how deeply he cares for "his people"! It's a matter of record, like his undying love for the Kurds, and his deep desire to commune with his Kuwaiti brothers! And, we all know what a great human rights advocate he is! ;)

Your right that the United States, Britain, France, Russia and China all have international oil companies with major stakes in a change of leadership in Baghdad. Gee, jobs and investment in Iraq, what a concept! Particpation in the international economy instead of international pity and ridicule...If the US was a Muslim nation, the kalifah crowd would be tripping over themselves to enlist!

Oils on it's way out anyway! The only intelligent comments in those links were the mention of renewable energy sources! It will be interesting to see the nation's that have not had to develop any other real industry have to stand on their own for once!

Face it, KM, you just don't like politics!

Peace To All Who Read This...

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Everytime I read these leftwing publications say the US puts oil over human lives, I would almost laugh if outcome of their misguided thoughts weren't so tragic! Saddams palaces and monuments are built on the bodies of his victims, and made with mortar made with their blood!

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Mrpockets do you think in 1991 US went all the way on the other side of the world to librate those camel jokeys and sand niggers from the yoke of Iraqi dictator... If US did I'd say US has lots a lots of love for those camel jokeys..... I wish US had similar love for N.Koreans and Tibetans etc.. and the list is endless.

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Mrpockets do you think in 1991 US went all the way on the other side of the world to librate those camel jokeys and sand niggers from the yoke of Iraqi dictator... If US did I'd say US has lots a lots of love for those camel jokeys..... I wish US had similar love for N.Koreans and Tibetans etc.. and the list is endless.
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First. Abdali, I will not debase myself by the use of such racial slurs as contained in your post. I don't think I've ever used such degrading terms when referring to human beings of different ethnicity.

Your argument is untenable. I don't see America running Germany! Or, how about (South) Korea? I don't see the Kuwaitis flying an American flag, do you? Canada has 50, 000 troops -if we were as empire hungry as you say, we could take over Canada in about 2 hours!

If any nations bear the guilt for imperialism, it's Britain, France, the Netherlands and Spain. They actually sought empire, which, right or wrong, was the norm at that time in history. I saw the colonial British uniforms and heard the bagpipes during coverage of India's recent military day, for example.

No, whatever our ills, the US stands head and shoulders above the world for making hard choices for the right reasons. That also makes us a convenient target for those who have been disenfranchised by their own history and governments.

No other nation can boast of the US's long history and cumulative totals of aid, financial and otherwise, to virtually every nation thats come to our door hat in hand. Whether famine or natural disaster, who's the first to receive the call for help?

No, no, Abdali, it just doesn't wash!

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pockets what a ridiculous post

As for your comments about aid and loans they all come with strings attached and usually they end up making things worse for the recepient.

America does intefere in Korea it is an obstacle between the north and south uniting and this is the words from south korean government. The koreans can`t stand the american forces any longer and you get daily protests against them last week one US marine was stabbed in korea what do you call that love for america i dont think so.

In Germany the economy of germany is heavily financed by american money. So much so that german arms are twisted every year by america and jewish lobbies that germany has to cough up billions every year for jewish deaths which occured more than 50 years ago.

Kuwait you get american flags everywhere what you talking about at the moment half of kuwait has been turned into a military base.

The cuckoo land image you have of america is far from@reality. YEs spain, britian, netherlands are colonialist and empire builders from@the past but america is the new colonialist regime in the world causing misery everywhere it lands.

You forgot the 55 wars and conflicts involving CIA and US military since 1945. This current war mongering in iraq is about oil it is clear as daylight for anyone that cares to look.

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First. Abdali, I will not debase myself by the use of such racial slurs as contained in your post. I don't think I've ever used such degrading terms when referring to human beings of different ethnicity.

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I am not refering to you nor am I interesed how you feel about those camel jokeys.... In America they are called sand niggers and camel jokeys....

Now the question is did Amrica go there to librate those sand niggers and camel jokeys from the bad bad bad iraqi dictator. If yes then I'd say America has lots and lots of love for those bad backward uncivilized desert rats..Now I would like to ask why can't america show such love for NK or Tibet..etc... As for NK I'd suggest you browse NYT a very interesting article is posted..... And Tibet yeah sure humans don't live there. I think you find a better story...

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I am not refering to you nor am I interesed how you feel about those camel jokeys.... In America they are called sand niggers and camel jokeys....

Now the question is did Amrica go there to librate those sand niggers and camel jokeys from the bad bad bad iraqi dictator. If yes then I'd say America has lots and lots of love for those bad backward uncivilized desert rats..Now I would like to ask why can't america show such love for NK or Tibet..etc... As for NK I'd suggest you browse NYT a very interesting article is posted..... And Tibet yeah sure humans don't live there. I think you find a better story...
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You have been watching too many bad movies,i have never heard these names outside the movies.

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You have been watching too many bad movies,i have never heard these names outside the movies.
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Neither have I seen/heard vietcoms chappal on Ji Joes ass except on radio and TV.

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Face it, KM, you just don't like politics!

Peace To All Who Read This...
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No I don't like the politics of the West. Politics of the West = Corruption - Colonialist foreign policies - Anti Islamic agenda - Deceiving – greed etc. etc. etc.....

Robert Fisk: This looming war isn’t about chemical warheads or human rights: it’s about oil

Along with the concern for ‘vital interests’ in the Gulf, this war was concocted five years ago by oil men such as Dick Cheney

I was sitting on the floor of an old concrete house in the suburbs of Amman this week, stuffing into my mouth vast heaps of lamb and boiled rice soaked in melted butter. The elderly, bearded, robed men from Maan - the most Islamist and disobedient city in Jordan - sat around me, plunging their hands into the meat and soaked rice, urging me to eat more and more of the great pile until I felt constrained to point out that we Brits had eaten so much of the Middle East these past 100 years that we were no longer hungry. There was a muttering of prayers until an old man replied. “The Americans eat us now,” he said.

Full article

Easy way to for those nations to avoid the strings, IvanDrago! Don’t take the loans, and stand on their own.

Actually, the North wasn’t that keen on reunification until, like Saddam, they got caught not living up to their commitments.


http://www.wpxi.com/news/1918421/detail.html

South Koreans Rally To Support U.S. Military

A big pro-U.S. demonstration in South Korea took place Sunday.

Some 40,000 Christians rallied in Seoul to show their support for the U.S. military presence in the country. They also condemned the North’s nuclear weapons program.

Some people shouted “Amen!” as gospel music blared from loudspeakers.

One sign declared South Koreans and Americans “blood brothers.” A similar pro-U.S. rally last week drew about 30,000 people.

There have been a series of anti-U.S. demonstrations in South Korea recently. Tens of thousands of activists protested following the deaths of two South Korean teenage girls struck by a U.S. military vehicle in June.

Two American soldiers were acquitted of negligent homicide charges.

About 37,000 U.S. troops are stationed in South Korea.


The same goes for Germany - they are not forced to accept foreign investment. They have a choice. Sorry it doesn’t agree with you!

Whatever Kuwait’s feelings regarding the US military presence, it’s obvious they think Saddam a bigger threat or we would not be there!

“…america is the new colonialist regime in the world causing misery everywhere it lands.” Once again, tell that to those who would go to bed hungry if not for US aid.

I’ll be honest and say that I am not well read on the “cloak & dagger” CIA/military operations you mention. I’ll read up on it. If I change my opinion, I’ll let you know.

As I’ve stated in many previous posts, oil is on the way out anyway. Why would we continue to allow ourselves to be dependent on a primary fuel source that can be potentially impacted by jihadi mentality? Even big oil is scrambling to gain control of the next generation of fuel sources. Personally, I’m looking forward to it!

And, ridiculous or not, I’m still posting! :wink:

Peace To ALL Who Read This…

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I am not refering to you nor am I interesed how you feel about those camel jokeys.... In America they are called sand niggers and camel jokeys....

Now the question is did Amrica go there to librate those sand niggers and camel jokeys from the bad bad bad iraqi dictator. If yes then I'd say America has lots and lots of love for those bad backward uncivilized desert rats..Now I would like to ask why can't america show such love for NK or Tibet..etc... As for NK I'd suggest you browse NYT a very interesting article is posted..... And Tibet yeah sure humans don't live there. I think you find a better story...
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Obviously, as you indicate you are in Pakistan, you must have an in depth knowledge of what terminology Americans use in daily conversation! First time I've ever heard the monikers you used! Silly me!

Actually, all the folks I've had the pleasure of meeting from the countries listed in your post were quite civilized.

Peace To ALL Who Read This...