Ambassador forced to leave physicians’ function

The world recognizes your jihadis and jihadi wannabes with their typical hooliganism as a threat to global peace. If you want to act like this in another country, you should do it in your pinds and not drag Pakistan's name down with you. APPNA should change it's name to Association of Physicians of Punjab-descent of North America.

And UN also said your jihadi fundos are a threat to world peace and should be dealt with immediately.

Re: Ambassador forced to leave physicians’ function

are people of punjab descent jihadies khehkeshan?

you do know that one of the large contributors of jihadies in the afghan war were segments of the Karachi urban, non-sindhi populace?

Fundos are commonly found among overseas Pakistanis. Brit-Pakistani jihadis aren't the only ones who support blowing innocents up.

I'm just telling you where the vast vast majority of APPNA members come from.

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thats a compliment to punjabies that so many of them comprise the pakistani physician community? sorry for misunderstanding what you were saying, usually you arent as positive about them

lolz

Yeah, their hooliganism, shouting and support for some jamati mullah is a great compliment for them. Take it as you like. :k:

Re: Ambassador forced to leave physicians’ function

Is that why Chaudhry Shujaat (another Musharraf croonie) was booed in 2006 by the same people? :hehe:

**Is it that bad and is all lost? By no means, there being a silver lining to the darkest clouds. When Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain — the military-picked head of the comic opera known as the Q League — gets booed and jeered by Pakistani doctors in Chicago you can entertain the modest hope that enough is enough and things finally might be moving in the right direction.

An e-mail from Dr Omar Ali MD describes it all: “Something unusual happened at the meeting of the Association of Pakistani Physicians in North America (APPNA)… Pakistani-American doctors hooted down their association office-holders when they tried to introduce Chaudhry Shujaat at their annual meeting in Chicago!**


I know many upstanding pakistani-american physicians (punjabi and others) who refused to join this organization because of it's political hooliganism and non-acceptance of divergent opinions.

the whole punjabi thing you tried was such a non sequiter though.

i mean jamaat has practically been eliminated as a political force ever since it lost its only stronghold… Karachi. if anything Karachi was the enabler of some of the more effective political actions of the JI, not Punjab.

sure sure, just because they booed farooq sattar, gives you the green signal to spew your racist agenda, keep a lid on it, as your racism only degrades your credibility.

And yet we see the punjab majority doctors here are also prominent jamaat supports and their antics tell that much to me. Go figure!

LOL, facts are not racist. Get over yourself.

Werent they NS supporters :hehe: oh wait, according to a good mqm friend of yours here on the forum, the PML[Q] is infact the largest party in Punjab? Nothing making sense here? :hehe:

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How come there was not one doctor in the room intelligent enough to use facts and rational discussion to expose the MQM rep's stories and webs? Why were they not able to do anything but boo?

To you, I’m sure nothing makes sense.

They didn't learn those skills at home.

Mad Scientist, to all you supporters, MQM is a saintly party and I doubt any rational discussion can convince you lot. I mean I get it how certain people worship the MQM and its leader and swear loyalty, but is it too hard for them to understand that outside of their little hoods, they are hated all over Pakistan and abroad, and plus everyone knows who was behind the May 12th incident.

So get over this silly notion that everyone who isnt supportive of the MQM is a jihadi or a Punjabi.

And by the way, it was Farooq Sattar who irked the crowd even in 2006, here read what I am posting in the next post :hehe:

This is from 2006, where Mr. Farooq Sattar refused to adhere to the rules of the discussion, and went on despite the moderators pleadings.

http://www.despardes.com/articles/jul06/20060718-manzur-ejaz.htm

The Rising by Dr. Ejaz

                                                                                                                                                                         An unprecedented confrontation of Pakistan’s top politicians                      by members of the Association of Pakistani Physicians in                      North America (APPNA) reminded me of Posti (opium-eater), a                      character in Najm Hosain Syed’s play Takht Lahore. The Posti                      lives a dozing, half-conscious life but keeps wondering why                      he feels the warmth of life from the beaten down people of                      his land. Many of us, like Posti, keep wondering how it is                      that we still feel the hidden fire in the apparently                      burnt-out, slumbering villages and cities. A sort of                      uprising at the APPNA conference reinforces the faith of                      those who always see potential in hopeless situations.

** When the audience at the Dow Graduate Association of North America (DOGANA) started confronting Dr Farooq Sattar, a stalwart of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), I thought it was an aberration. Addicted to making never-ending speeches to compliant audiences, Dr Sattar refused to stop his initial presentation despite several requests and interruptions from the moderator. He was a panelist — along with this columnist, Imran Khan, and Makhdoom Zahid (a judge in Vancouver, Canada) — on DOGANA’s seminar on provincial autonomy in Pakistan.**

** When Dr Sattar refused to comply with the moderator’s pleadings, several people from the audience stood up and started shouting him down. In a street-like confrontation, the audience told Dr Sattar that if he could not stick to the harmless rules of a speaking forum, how could one expect him to abide by a country and society’s much complicated rules. To his credit or otherwise, Dr Sattar kept pushing and infuriating the audience that, mostly, hailed from Karachi. **

** When Dr Sattar used the metaphor of Mandi Baha ud Din to describe the market-like state of Pakistani politics, many from the audience told him that the MQM too had ‘sold’ itself many times in this market. How could it then adopt a ‘holier than thou’ posture? Some scolded him for not having democratic ideals in his party and following a ‘pir’ from abroad. Others chided him for doing nothing for Karachi. I have rarely seen a powerful politician being humbled in such a way. By contrast, Imran Khan was applauded and appreciated for his passionate rendering against Gen Pervez Musharraf and his military government. **

                I recognised this as a new development but I was still                      trying to interpret it in the context of politics in                      Karachi. Later, however, it was learnt that the fate of                      other pro-Musharraf stalwarts was even worse. Despite                      passionate pleases from the leadership, Chauhdry Shujaat                      Hussain was not allowed even to stand at the podium. Nor was                      Mohammadmian Somroo treated kindly at the Sindh Medical                      College Alumni Association of North America. **In short, Dr                      Sattar was shouted down mostly by Karachiites and other pro-Musharraf                      speakers by their respective communities. Chauhdry Shujaat                      had the distinction of being hooted down by a joint                      gathering of the entire APPNA audience. Imran Khan was the                      main beneficiary of this revolt in the APPNA.**
                
                APPNA has been known as an organization of prosperous                      Pakistani physicians in North America used to pandering to                      whoever is — or rumoured to be — in the ruling elite of                      Pakistan. The term “VIP hunters” was invented to describe                      many who constituted the APPNA. Further, for long, it has                      been a platform for the doctors serving in the remote rural                      areas of the USA to communicate with their peers. They may                      have made a lot of money but Jungle mein moor nacha kis nain                      daikha (how many may appreciate the beauty of a peacock                      dancing in the jungle?) The APPNA was where they got to rub                      shoulders with the rich, famous and notorious — a coming out                      for the peacock. 
                
                In the political sphere, the APPNA was a forum used to wash                      the Pakistani government’s dirty laundry in Washington.                      Under the garb of serving national interest, the APPNA                      leadership lobbied for almost every ruler in Islamabad.                      **Military dictators like Zia ul Haq and Pervez Musharraf have                      been its special favorites. It was very rare for APPNA                      leaders to lobby for democracy in Pakistan or for the                      socio-economic interests of its people. **Between Washington                      and Pakistani dictators the APPNA leaders acted as                      linchpins. Therefore, the uprising in APPNA is very                      meaningful. It indicates that something new is brewing in                      Pakistani politics. 
                
                As a matter of fact invisible changes have been taking place                      in APPNA composition and leadership. Progressive elements                      from among DOW graduates and their colleagues from other                      medical schools have been pushing forward an enlightened                      agenda by inviting intellectuals, environmentalists, and                      human rights advocates from the world over. A small group of                      doctors gained prominence earlier for advocating women’s                      rights under the banner of the Asian Network Against Abuse (ANAA).                      Their invitation to Mukhtar Mai created an international                      furore. However, the activist physicians in the ANAA                      remained steadfast in their resolve and, in the end, Mukhtar                      Mai became an icon in the US. 
                
                ANAA’s success provided a model for other enlightened                      physicians in the US to spend their hard-earned buck on a                      pro-people agenda. The uprising in the APPNA is indicative                      of a new dimension being added to this organization. It                      appears to signal that the number of Pakistanis sick of the                      military government and its allies is on the increase.                      Something new is taking shape in the sleeping valleys of                      Pakistan. The Posti’s daydreaming may transform into a new                      political reality after all. For those who see and hear                      there are signs.

Re: Ambassador forced to leave physicians’ function

They hypocrisy of the jamaati thugs knows no boundaries. Sitting in America they are calling Haqqani an American agent! Shameful event for Pakistan.

And this is your so-called “neutral” APPNA, which has been hijacked by nawaz leaguers and jihadi wannabes.

From Dawn: http://www.dawn.com/2008/06/29/top14.htm

Haqqani heckled at meeting

By Our Correspondent

WASHINGTON, June 28: **A row between Ambassador Husain Haqqani and supporters of the Jamaat-i-Islami overshadowed the meeting of Pakistani Physicians in North America on Friday.

“Go Haqqani, go,” shouted the Jamaat supporters and their slogan echoed in the large convention centre of a Washington hotel where representatives from the US Congress, State Department and various think-tanks were also present, mainly to hear Supreme Court Bar Association president Aitzaz Ahsan talk about the lawyers’ movement.**
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The row started when the son of a prominent Jamaat leader interrupted Mr Haqqani who was telling the audience that relationships between nations are based on ground realities, and not “whims and desires” of a few individuals.
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The Jamaat leader recited half a dozen emotive couplets to insist that emotions do matter.

“Foreign relations are not discussed in poetry,” said Mr Haqqani. “Saddam Husain’s last speech was also full of poetry but it could not save him or his nation.”

He then urged the hecklers to “grow up” and learn.

This annoyed the Jamaat supporters who got up, shouting “go Haqqani go” and “Haqqani is an American agent.”