Well ... u have to read the history dear ... Muhajir's lost 22000 thousand youngsterz after making MQM....they r pushed to the wall jo Qaid ka ghaddar hay woh maut ka haqdaar hay ..isn't it ???....muhajir's ( better call him sindhi's coz they born here so they r not muhajir's anymore ).....they were known as Ahlay Qalam .... Altaf hussain give him order to sell their TV n VCR n buy Guns ..... is this the way to take right's in ur own country ...
better open ur eyes to reality :~)
That's true! This idiot man started his movement with guns - the guns always come as a last resort - but this fanatic/crazy/insane person started with guns!
(the guns were actually never needed by people of Karachi). Now we see the results of his foolishness.
Why dont you admit that he is an opportunistic, spineless coward who doesn't deserve to be called a leader. But I do give him credit for making a fool out of five million so called Parhey Likhey Jahils.l
hey man, he only fooled five million so calle dparrhey likhay jahil, how many ppl did zia fool in the name of islam :) or benazir, or even shareef.
I guess as a nation we like to be fooled by idiots.
^ yes ...Gen Baber saved the karachi and sindh...we salute him....
Gen Baber has been noted by Human rights watch for atrocities.
while he did do a good job of cleaning out the MQm militants, how it was done was pathetic.
peopel also forget that we had 2 clean up attempts...read up on it, and see how ordinary citizens were treated in their own country.
spock actually that is a fact, it was PAMSO and MQM that made jamiaat and other groups retreat. it was mostly for turf wars on campuses, but they succeeded for the most part. Jamiaat was never the same after that.
Because elements with the establishment like the ISI and their jihadi brethren are ready to kill him the moment he arrives. Lets not forget that it was the MQM that fought the jihadi terrorists in Karachi before it was fashionable.
Yeah...by killing scores if not thousands of fellow-muhajirs...
i agree ... but it is too difficult to differentiate between common man and terrorist in so much conjusted city....
The only terrorists were those of the ethno-criminal enterprise of APMSO, (not PAMSO)...and we've seen the affects of their handy work...the culture of guns, torture and killing was all introduced to the campuses by these APMSO degenerates...and almost all of their victims were fellow-mohajirs...not only that...the other adverse affect they've had since their invasion of the campuses was/is academia and the educational standards...intimidation of professors/instructors, cheating, admission of one MQM thug after another into prestigious colleges, thus rendering the standard of these institutions meaningless…
The only terrorists were those of the ethno-criminal enterprise of APMSO, (not PAMSO)...and we've seen the affects of their handy work...the culture of guns, torture and killing was all introduced to the campuses by these APMSO degenerates...and almost all of their victims were fellow-mohajirs...not only that...the other adverse affect they've had since their invasion of the campuses was/is academia and the educational standards...intimidation of professors/instructors, cheating, admission of one MQM thug after another into prestigious colleges, thus rendering the standard of these institutions meaningless…
Its nto to say that ghunda gardee, initmidation of profs, cheating and all did not happen prior to APMSO's existence.
Similarly, the gun culture on campuses was there prior to APMSO goons getting a stronghold. teh fights between the psycho beardos of jamiaat and commie surkhay of NSF is well documented. Not that other groups like PSF and all were clean.
APMSO just became the bigger and more deadly ghunda...so these low class chichoray ghunday like jamiaat backed off. then the monster had no one to fight and turned on itself.
here is a good read from the United Nations on stuff that took place. and even shows how the creation and installing of haqiqi and then backing off created the bigger mess in teh city as the two factions, one lanted by the govt and the original one battled for turf.
but read on and note accounts of how mismanaged and otched were these operations and how the impacted ordinary people who had nothing to do wity anything.
Gen Baber has been noted by Human rights watch for atrocities.
while he did do a good job of cleaning out the MQm militants, how it was done was pathetic.
peopel also forget that we had 2 clean up attempts...read up on it, and see how ordinary citizens were treated in their own country.
And if Mr I Chourdy was CJ then! Mr. N Babar definately would have been handicapped!
maybe maybe not...
in both anti MQM operations, ordinary citizens were harassed, some of it is documented in the UN link I posted. It was covered up for the most part.
so these black coats and these judges resigning now, and all this topi drama, where were they when law abiding citizend were being kidnapped by police and rangers for ransom...and other stuff.
where was MR Iftikhar chaudhry then, and what did he do then to indicate thatthings would have been any dfferent had he been the CJ at that time.
fact of the matter is all these guys took a collective yawn because they did not give a ****, The innocent people being harassed and kidnapped tortured and killed were not part of the vote bank for their parties, so why gave a rats ass.
it was not even covered by newspapers until some ppl started covering it. and eve then it was half hearted coverage.
The same people who supported hundreds, if not thousands of extra-judicial killings by the PPP government in Karachi in the 90's are now upholding the "independence" of the judiciary.
maybe maybe not...
in both anti MQM operations, ordinary citizens were harassed, some of it is documented in the UN link I posted. It was covered up for the most part.
so these black coats and these judges resigning now, and all this topi drama, where were they when law abiding citizend were being kidnapped by police and rangers for ransom...and other stuff.
where was MR Iftikhar chaudhry then, and what did he do then to indicate thatthings would have been any dfferent had he been the CJ at that time.
fact of the matter is all these guys took a collective yawn because they did not give a ****, The innocent people being harassed and kidnapped tortured and killed were not part of the vote bank for their parties, so why gave a rats ass.
it was not even covered by newspapers until some ppl started covering it. and eve then it was half hearted coverage.
People at that time did not know what to make of it.
MQM yielded little sympathy from anyone. People had seen the torture cells and daily murders of peole from all sorts of life by MQM.
Then another famous "secret" was that BB had given list of all Kashmiris trained by ISI in exchange for List of MQM terrorrists trained by India and these people were the one being executed.
Then again during the crackdown there were equally heinous crimes comitted on regular basis by MQM. People used to see picture of tens of dead bodies of labourers ridden with bullets and play cards left on dead bodies
"Naseerullah Babar key liye tuhfa"
How cud then anyone stand up against the operation.
well brother...this is not always the case as it seems...i once heard a very top level police officer in a private meeting that...many pole-muqabila " extra judicial killings are false...but many of them are true also....do we not know what our judicial sysem base on....shahadat....gawahi ...these experts murderesd each and every time are "released with honour" from every case as no one is ever willing to give the gwahi against them.....such terror of MQM...torture cells..pulling nails..burning head with tarcoal...hammering screw driver in private parts...and drilling the head and human body while alive....a person trembles for a moment who even think of it....and hundreds and thousands have gone through this process mainly in Landhi Grand torture cell...and many more ....
so who will give gwahi aganst these beasts and barbarians...thugs and nurdereds....who will do that...no one...believe me no....chahia wo kitna hee bara phannai khan hee kyu na ho...uus ko apni biwibacho..maa baap aur jawanbahno ka khof ho ga..as MQM also raped many women and then blammed agencies for them as a tool to defame government.....
in 12 13 cases ...the man is accused...all know that...judges know that...neighbourers know that...but still helpless because no one is ready to give gwahi against them......
so only one solution left....burst thier chest and bodies with as many bullets as you can....these beasts are not even worthy of calling as "humans" ...who torture the others worse than animls....just for sake of power....this is the best best best solution....and often police muqabila is done due to this...when no one ready to give proof in court......
Thanks allah...this policy saved karachi .....this is the only way... i admit some people not criminals also died but it happened at such a large scale..even after 5 years court hearings...a non-criminal is hanged to gallows...not unusual.....
but N K babar did exactly right.....there was no way left ...this was the only way....badmasho kai saath sharafat kai saath baat nahi kee ja sakti...as we see what usman(ra) tried to did with rebellions and what happened....
well brother...this is not always the case as it seems...i once heard a very top level police officer in a private meeting that...many pole-muqabila " extra judicial killings are false...but many of them are true also....do we not know what our judicial sysem base on....shahadat....gawahi ...these experts murderesd each and every time are "released with honour" from every case as no one is ever willing to give the gwahi against them.....such terror of MQM...torture cell
Well said! Good post I agree 100%
But if some islamic murderers (who encourage sucide bombing against their own people) are being "missed" this time, then why you make noise?
well brother...this is not always the case as it seems...i once heard a very top level police officer in a private meeting that...many pole-muqabila " extra judicial killings are false...but many of them are true also....do we not know what our judicial sysem base on....shahadat....gawahi ...these experts murderesd each and every time are "released with honour" from every case as no one is ever willing to give the gwahi against them.....such terror of MQM...torture cells..pulling nails..burning head with tarcoal...hammering screw driver in private parts...and drilling the head and human body while alive....a person trembles for a moment who even think of it....and hundreds and thousands have gone through this process mainly in Landhi Grand torture cell...and many more ....
so who will give gwahi aganst these beasts and barbarians...thugs and nurdereds....who will do that...no one...believe me no....chahia wo kitna hee bara phannai khan hee kyu na ho...uus ko apni biwibacho..maa baap aur jawanbahno ka khof ho ga..as MQM also raped many women and then blammed agencies for them as a tool to defame government.....
in 12 13 cases ...the man is accused...all know that...judges know that...neighbourers know that...but still helpless because no one is ready to give gwahi against them......
so only one solution left....burst thier chest and bodies with as many bullets as you can....these beasts are not even worthy of calling as "humans" ...who torture the others worse than animls....just for sake of power....this is the best best best solution....and often police muqabila is done due to this...when no one ready to give proof in court......
Thanks allah...this policy saved karachi .....this is the only way... i admit some people not criminals also died but it happened at such a large scale..even after 5 years court hearings...a non-criminal is hanged to gallows...not unusual.....
but N K babar did exactly right.....there was no way left ...this was the only way....badmasho kai saath sharafat kai saath baat nahi kee ja sakti...as we see what usman(ra) tried to did with rebellions and what happened....
I am in no way a supporter of a facist thug Altaf Hussain and the MQM, but no one can deny that massive human rights abuses were committed in the 1993-96 period by the PPP government in it's operation in Karachi. Pakistan became nortorious for extra-judicial killings, kidnappings and torture - acts ordered by Naserullah Babar.
