Re: Altaf Hussain calls for separate province/country?
I agree with Imran Kahn's statement today that the latest circus show by Altaf Hussain is a fixed match between PPP and MQM. Both parties are at the lowest popularity level.. and with nothing positive to show their voters.. they are taking this route. They want more ethnic polarization to keep their core ethnic voters.
As far as the grievances of the Urban Sind population are concerned.. MQM had been in power for last 12/13 years. What did they do during these years to actually address these disparities. Nothing….
Re: Altaf Hussain calls for separate province/country?
You were not born and write what you heard from other guys. What if other guys were also not born and writing lies here? Your other argument about nationalzation of industries of Urdu speaking which affected the jobs are also based on lies and incorrect.
Read history before you write something which is not based on truth. Here is the history of quota system. I was also not born but I don’t believe the bull****ers racists here. I normally go back to the history and try to find neutral sources rather than biased subjective liars whose all information is normally based on hatred.
However not observing the system honestly by people in power is another story.
****I have found some very interesting facts about quota system in Pakistan which are quite contrary to the propaganda among the masses. Most of the information is taken from “Affirmative action Policies in Pakistan,” by Mohammed Wasim and “Policies of Ethnic Preference in Pakistan,” by Charles H. Kennedy (Professor, Department of Political Science, Wake Forest University).
Generally it is believed that quota system in Pakistan was introduced by Z.A. Bhutto. Some people also believe that it was introduced by Ayub Khan or even Zia-ul-Haq. No matter which of these three rulers of Pakistan introduced the quota system, it is widely and strongly accepted as a matter of fact that the sole purpose was it to throw out the community who migrated from India after the independence and settled in the urban areas of the province Sindh, from the educational institutes and bureaucracy.
1st one (i.e the very first quota system) was introduced in Sep 1948. It was implemented for 15 years initially. Quota system was revised in 1949. Liaqat Ali Khan was the Prime Minister of Pakistan in that time period. Hence the quota system was not introduced by Ayub, Bhutto or Zia but it was first introduced by Liaqat Ali Khan.
The quota system for the provinces in 1948 is as given below [1]
Bengal 42%
Punjab 23%
All Other provinces Sindh,Balochistan and NWFP ]and Princely States 17%
Potential Immigrants from India 15%
Karachi (capital city) 2%
The quota system revised in 1949 is as given below [1]
Bengal 40% -2%
Punjab 23%
All Other provinces Sindh,Balochistan and NWFP ]and Princely States 15% -2%
Merit 20%
Karachi (Capital city) 2%
This policy (quota system) provided that 20% of the vacancies in the Central Superior Services were to be filled on the basis of “merit” as a consequence of the Central Superior Services Examination (CSS examination). The remaining 80% of the vacancies were to be filled according to the following formula: [2]
East Pakistan 40%
Punjab and Bahawalpur 23%
Sind, Khairpur, North-West Frontier Province and
Frontier States and Tribal Areas, Baluchistan,
Azad Kashmir, and Kashmir refugees, 15%
Merit 20%
Karachi 2%
By 1956, the quota policy, which had started as an administrative directive within the Establishment Division, had grown to the status of a statutory exception to the “nondiscrimination clause” in the first constitutional. This status was reiterated in the 1962 Constitution. [2]
Unjustly quota for Sindh, NWFP, Baluchistan, Azad Kashmir and princely states was not separate right from the beginning. Fairness demanded that all the provinces must had separate quota according to their population. Also 2% quota for Karachi was continued despite the fact that Karachi was not the capital of Pakistan anymore. Quota was needed to be redefined and this was not done by any ruler of Pakistan till Z.A. Bhutto came into the power and redefined the quota for each province separately.
But by August 1973, it emerged in its present form: [2]
Merit 10% -10%
Punjab (including Islamabad) 50% +27%
urban Sind (Karachi, Sukkur, and Hyderabad) 7.6%
rural Sind (areas in Sind other than those above) 11.4%
NWFP (now KPK) 11.5%
Baluchistan 3.5%
Northern Areas and FATA 4%
Azad Kashmir 2%
According to Index Mundi the ethnic population as given below
Punjabi 44.68%
Pashtun (Pathan) 15.42%
Sindhi 14.1%
Sariaki 8.38%
Urdu Speaking 7.57%
Balochi 3.57%
other 6.28%
From the above statistics of the population on the basis of ethnicity, the current distribution of quota looks quite fair. Population of Punjab is 55% whereas it quota is 50% i.e. 5% less than its population.
[1] “Affirmative action Policies in Pakistan,” by Mohammed Wasim
[2] “Policies of Ethnic Preference in Pakistan,” by Charles H. Kennedy
Posted 14th October 2013 by Waheed Hyder
Re: Altaf Hussain calls for separate province/country?
What is wrong with giving jobs on merit? Doodh ka doodh pani ka pani ho giya aaj. That Afat also used to "protest" that Urdu speakers harrap all jobs. Get educated folks!
Re: Altaf Hussain calls for separate province/country?
I agree with Imran Kahn's statement today that the latest circus show by Altaf Hussain is a fixed match between PPP and MQM. Both parties are at the lowest popularity level.. and with nothing positive to show their voters.. they are taking this route. They want more ethnic polarization to keep their core ethnic voters.
As far as the grievances of the Urban Sind population are concerned.. MQM had been in power for last 12/13 years. What did they do during these years to actually address these disparities. Nothing….
Re: Altaf Hussain calls for separate province/country?
… Like I said , I have presented these figures many times… the orignal Mohammed Waseems’ article is on scribd at my account , any one can download it from there…
Re: Altaf Hussain calls for separate province/country?
So, how is giving jobs to merit a 'quota' (never heard of that in other civilized countries) and bad? Do you want the destruction of Pakistan with non-merit jobs and nationalization? No wonder Pakistan is a f*Sk hole that it is today.
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India has progressed due to private sector and DING DING DING education, including higher education, but weren’t you the one calling higher education “BS” in KPK thread?
Where India has failed is in government corruption and big population (re: Pakistan). The corrupt govt run on favors has managed to f*@k india in infrastructure, population control and corruption everywhere from defense deals to regular spending bills. Another DING DING DING, there is less merit (and sometimes complete thereof) in indian govt than the more successful private sector.
Re: Altaf Hussain calls for separate province/country?
For a very long time India had socialist government which built its solid foundation. It is now changing to market economy. So is China. Using profanity does not make you an authority on the subject.
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Read your profanity and retard stupid posts, do you consider yourself a product of merit? If yes, then it is very much illegitimate.
Look at your own posts which get edited because of profanity, while mine is still there. If you can't argue then bs about everything. It is an irony (probably a lie!) that you said that you were an "educator" yet you hold HEC in contempt.
If you can't argue, then go do the jiyala dance in Sindh assembly on zardari-bhutto songs like you people deserve.
Re: Altaf Hussain calls for separate province/country?
Look at your own posts which get edited because of profanity, while mine is still there. If you can't argue then bs about everything. It is an irony (probably a lie!) that you said that you were an "educator" yet you hold HEC in contempt.
If you can't argue, then go do the jiyala dance in Sindh assembly on zardari-bhutto songs like you people deserve.
I have deleted because I did not want to your gutter class merit rants level. kapish
