Altaf Bhai says people of Sindh will never let Talibanisation of Karachi.

Now you raise a good question. During operations of 1992+ in Karachi, intelligence/army "found" maps of Jinnahpur. Many MQM supporters here support ISI and army (kinda blindly) and enforce that these two institutions are sincere to the nation. My question is then obviously, was that allegation by military/ISI true or false?

Did May 12 massacre ring bell?

You keep MQM in power and you won't see bullets firing anywhere (in MQM areas mainly).

I would answer your question by saying the #1 way Musharraf has had peace with MQM in Karachi is because he has supported them. He has run all of his Karachi strategy through MQM, this includes the crushing of the Lawyers and Civil Society last May and his earlier handicapping of MQM-H group.

There are 2 sides to this problem. 1 are the fools in here who seem to think ONLY MQM is an issue. This is untrue and leads to labelling of a specific ethnic group. This approach is not right.

The other side is those who blindly support MQM.

People need to realize that tolerance and acceptance is the only way forward.

Groups like the MQM absolutely CANNOT resort to violence and savagry every time they are challenged. This will not lead to any good ending for anyone. They need to accept the fact that a significant portion of Karachi is not of there ethnic group and does not support them. They should attempt to widen there support base outside of ethnicity and they should drop there mafia like structure and propensity for violence.

As for those in the opposition. Understand that there have been inexcusable incidents in the past against the Urdu speaking that helped to create this monster we call MQM. This needs to be prevented in the future.

There should be no tolerance for violence of any kind.

Mr. Ehtesaab,

MQM was not in power during first couple of Musharraf's rule. They were so much against Dictatorship that they even didn't participate in the first City Council Elections. But gradually they realised Musharraf is not a Military Dictator. Contrary to this, Musharraf brought all those Priciples of Democrary which was not to be seen in first 4 Eras of BB and Nawaz.

Even there was no City Government of MQM during first 6 years of Musharraf's era and City Nazim was Naimatullah of Jamat-e-Islami...... but still there was no voilence in Karachi during all this Period. WHY?

Just come out of your hatred and Prejudice and try to find out the Answer of this WHY.

Simply Musharraf was not a usurper of others Rights.

Only one good step of Musharraf (i.e. bringing City Government) and tranferring of Authorities to lower level of City brought maricles in Karachi.

There are many type of Taxes in Pakistan. Among those, the tax taken in name of Water, Garbage, Sewerage etc. should be used only in that areas.

But earlier People of Karachi gave all their taxes in name of water etc, which went to Provincial Government of PPP and never returned back from there. All earlier so-called Civil Democratic Parties were eney of distributing authorities to lower level (for corruption purposes). It was only the Vision of Musharraf which brought this development in Pakistan for which "Na-Shukray" people like us should be thankful to Musharraf.

Once People of Karachi got their Rights, they responded very Positively and we saw all that Development during all that era.

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Now you raise a good question. During operations of 1992+ in Karachi, intelligence/army "found" maps of Jinnahpur. Many MQM supporters here support ISI and army (kinda blindly) and enforce that these two institutions are sincere to the nation. My question is then obviously, was that allegation by military/ISI true or false?
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There is a big difference in ISI of Musharraf and ISI of people like General Hamid Gul and Naseerullah Baber.

ISI of Hamid Gul and Naseerullah Babar is now a proven Lair as we heard not a Single Slogan of Jinahpur during all these 8 years of Musharraf.

But remember, if we bring back Hatred filled people like Hamid Gul and Naseerullah Baber, then even if today there are no slogans of Jinahpur, but soon their ZULM upon Karachi People would bring these Slogans at high (Just as Zulm of Army brought People of East Pakistan to raise slogans of Bangladesh)

We should learn how to respect and love people and make them friends and not how to make them enemy. You go the wrong way.... and you make your own brother your enemy (while other way you make your enemies your friends).

Who is talking about City Govt or Council here? Tell me something about Sindh Government please, I am all ears (2002-2008).

Sure, hatred, thanks for your conclusion.

Was anything changed on May 12, 2007? Was power transferred to someone else?

What do you want to know about Sindh Government? Yes after 3 years of Musharraf when Elections were held then MQM made an alliance with Q-League in Sindh Government.

So tell me what is wrong in making alliance with Q-League in Sindh?

Don't all Parties make such alliances? Why all of them are allowed but not MQM?

And tell me if earlier PPP not made such alliance in Sindh with MQM? Also Nawaz Sharif made such alliance with MQM in his era. So, there were 3 such alliances:

1st: With PPP
2nd: With Nawaz
3rd: With Musharraf.

Question is why first 2 were failed and only and only the 3rd one was Successful? It is not enough to tell you the truth? Why don't you ponder upon this question? Don't let your hatred stop you to turn your eyes blind.

Thats all well said.

MQM had “alliance” with Musharraf? :eek: When did that happen?

As far as I know only alliance that failed was with PPP and that was because of fight over what ministry gets who. Besides the topic was why was there not much violence in Karachi during Musharraf era, I told you they were in government hence no violence. Now whether they did thru an alliance, back-door-deal or whatever, thats not the discussion. Besides you failed to answer May 12 question.

Re: Altaf Bhai says people of Sindh will never let Talibanisation of Karachi.

PPP always changes it's stands according to it's power .Remember how vehemently they fought MQM in 90's....

Well! This is a majority ANP area.

Re: Altaf Bhai says people of Sindh will never let Talibanisation of Karachi.

Except for a couple of quarters,one can feel the presence of MQM everywhere in Karachi.

Yes, which is why the great city has seen so much crime, violence, bhattakhoori, mobile khoori etc. We should send the MQM to South India.

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Isn't mobile snatching common in Lahore and other parts of Pakistan? Just curious as I thought it was only Karachi suffering from that but friends told me that it happens in Lahore (and probably other parts as well) may not be in same numbers (?).

Re: Altaf Bhai says people of Sindh will never let Talibanisation of Karachi.

^ Not snatching, but pickpocketing, in Lahore. Some of the pickpocketters are pretty talented. Thats why one should never keep a cell phone in their side pockets of the shalwar kameez, as thats 'halwa' for them.

In Karachi for instance, my mamu was driving to work, and at a signal intersection, two guys just came into his car through the back seat, held up a pisto to his head and asked him to give them whatever he had.

In Karachi, these crooks are armed.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.................. In south India,see................... Southis are well educated and well cultured and are known for their hospitality.ofcourse we will welcome MQM here..................here they will be good guys I am sure...............

But spockjaan............ Many southis have close contacts in Sindh especially in Karachi.Among them there are Hindus aswell.Even there are Sindhis in south India..............Atleast one GS member will be there from south like that........
u see................... life is like that.......................

Re: Altaf Bhai says people of Sindh will never let Talibanisation of Karachi.

if you welcome him by calling him 'altafjaan' I am sure he will be very happy. Also, Altaf bhai has nothing but love for southies. As for your hospitality, education, and culture, all I can say is that you have to have 'higher' standards for such definitions ;)

Re: Altaf Bhai says people of Sindh will never let Talibanisation of Karachi.

our higher standards have already been recognized.... :)

Thats why all visiting premiers come to Bangalore.one of the fast developing ,but beautiful cities in the world :)

dirty, polluted, congested is the definition of being beautiful?