Assume test match teams, if you want to nominate ODI x1’s-say so.
Simply name your x1, from either team or list both x1’s if your that able to…and we’ll all have a great CIVILIZED discussion on the matter. Just a note, can we keep the nation dissing out of this-if its a genuine Cricket discussion (ie your choice at 6 is crap as he couldnt…) thats fine-but back up your words.
Assume a best of 5 played in typical South Asian conditions, and a seperate series in English conditions.
Pakistani Test X1:
Saeed Anwar
Majid Khan
Javed Miandad
Hanif Mohammed
Inzamam ul Haq
Imran Khan *
Wasim Bari +
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Abdul Qadir
Shoaib Akhtar
Pretty self explanatory x1, our best batsmen/bowlers and keeper. Shoaib in only for his pace-and the use of 2 spinners against the Indians is a big gamble-saqlian isnt THAT good where we can afford to leave out a weapon the Indians cannot counter-pace.
Awesome bowling attack, solid top 6-beat that!
Indian X1:
(Any Indian want to point out the errors plz do-but say why)
If Srinath made to all time Indian best XI, then I am afraid there ain't much history of fast bowlers in India ! I am not aware of Indian fast bowling greats of yester-years, but I am sure our Indian members will be able to come up with better fast bowlers than Srinath to fill in that slot.
And Pakistan XI relies very heavily on newer players... what happened to greats like Hafeez Kardar and Fazal Mahmud? Also Mushtaq Muhammad and Sarfaraz Nawaz. You already included Waqar (for his S/R perhaps), but if it is an all-time great Pak team, then instead of Shoaib, I would vote for Sarfaraz.
I think these great bowlers are enough to take out the whole Indian bating lineup.
There isn't a better spinner to play India than Saqlain Mushtaq of 99 where he single handedly destroyed the Indian batting lineup.
The best Indian lineup I could comeup with. Yes I agree about Srinath but then again there aren't any other Indian great fast - med bowlers and he was the choice above Prabhakar.
I assume Tendulkur could takeup a job as full time bowler for India.
Pakistani players really came into there own in the more recent half of our cricket history, Hanif Mohammed aside, and guys like Safraz nawaz and co dont come close to making opur side. We have legends like Waqar-and you nominate a guy like Safraz-who by all accounts was distinctly average.
Shoaib is the fastest bowler ever-what does Nawaz offer?
Med fast swing bowling?
Srinath is by far the fastest Indian bowler of alltime-this is from partition, so guyts from like 1930 who could have played for eithetr team just dont count.
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*Originally posted by mo_best: *
Pakistani players really came into there own in the more recent half of our cricket history, Hanif Mohammed aside, and guys like Safraz nawaz and co dont come close to making opur side. We have legends like Waqar-and you nominate a guy like Safraz-who by all accounts was distinctly average.
Shoaib is the fastest bowler ever-what does Nawaz offer?
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Nothing really except if Sarfaraz hadn't been there, maybe Pak bowling would still be like Sri Lanka, with all pace and nothing else. Dude, Sarfaraz, not only invented reverse swing, but along with Imran, he taught it to all the youngesters, whom you now call "legends" :) Plus, I am sure you have not heard of the way he wrecked Aussies in Melbourn one day in 1979. Maybe he won't make the all time XI, but not knowing his worth merely reflects a lack of appreciation for Pakistan cricket's true heritage.
The only reason I referred to the Srinath retirement thread was because ironically the dude made it to the all time best Indian XI, and still he is considered by his own countrymen as perhaps a bad example of a fast bowler.
In honesty, on paper the Pak X1 would crush the Ind X1 in any conditions. Look at the respective sides, bowlers win games-you amongs that lot will consistantly bowl sides out (before they get 600)!?
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*Originally posted by mo_best: *
In honesty, on paper the Pak X1 would crush the Ind X1 in any conditions. Look at the respective sides, bowlers win games-you amongs that lot will consistantly bowl sides out (before they get 600)!?
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Yaar Mo_best yaar tum-- Asif_k or AQ bhai ko heart attack kara ke chorey gay!!
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*Originally posted by mo_best: *
In honesty, on paper the Pak X1 would crush the Ind X1 in any conditions. Look at the respective sides, bowlers win games-you amongs that lot will consistantly bowl sides out (before they get 600)!?
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Well out of your 5 bowlers .. 4 ( Imran Khan ,Wasim Akram ,Abdul Qadir,Waqar Younis) did play together and couldnot do anything to an Indian team which has neither Gavaskar nor vengsarkar ;)
Phir all time eleven ka kya bigar lenge??
Anyway, Mine all time eleven TEST team for India will be
Gavaskar
Vinoo mankad
R Dravid
S Tendulkar
M Azharuddin
Vishwanath
Kapil Dev
SMH Kirmani
J Srinath
Parsanna
Chandrashekhar
Mine all time Pak TEST eleven will be
Saeed Anwar
Mudassar nazar
Inzimam-ul-Haq
Javed Miandad
Zaheer Abbas
Imran Khan
Wasim Bari
Wasim Akram
Abdul Qadir
Iqbal Qasim
Waqar Younis
It was Gvaskar who during the tour of Pakistan, in the late 70’s or early 80’s i cant remember exactly when, said about the torment the Indian team was receivng at the hands of Imran Khan that there should be a wall between the Indian batsmen and Imran. This was just before Imran broke down with injury and had taken 80 test wickets in a year.
Ehsan Bhai ji - Point yeh tha ki Last Time jab Indian Team ne Pakistan me Test match khela us waqt Imran,Wasim,Waqar aur Qadir (4 out of 5 all time bowlers) team me the - Jabki hamari team me Azhar/Shahtri ko chhod ke koi bhi aur acchaa batsman nahin tha. Fir bhi aapki team ek bhi TEST match nahin Jeet paayee.
Rahi Baat Imran ki to - Gavaskar ji is 100% right. He was a great bowler. (it reminds me of comment made by Lilee about bowling to Sachin )
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Ehsan Bhai ji - Point yeh tha ki Last Time jab Indian Team ne Pakistan me Test match khela us waqt Imran,Wasim,Waqar aur Qadir (4 out of 5 all time bowlers) team me the - Jabki hamari team me Azhar/Shahtri ko chhod ke koi bhi aur acchaa batsman nahin tha. Fir bhi aapki team ek bhi TEST match nahin Jeet paayee.
Rahi Baat Imran ki to - Gavaskar ji is 100% right. He was a great bowler. (it reminds me of comment made by Lilee about bowling to Sachin )
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And I gave this example of 1989 tour because some dumbo said this
"In honesty, on paper the Pak X1 would crush the Ind X1 in any conditions. " .
No disrespect to any pakistani bowlers.lekin badbolapan bardasht nahi hota hai..
Granted 4 /5 played together-but alltime X1's are taken with each player assumed at his peak-and well in 1990~, Imran and Qadir were at the very end of their careers-ie far past there best, and Waqar was just starting out.
In would be a battle between Pak bowling and Ind batting.
Looks like 2 very formidable teams, India with their alltime Great batsmans and Pakistan with their alltime great batsmans and great bowlers.
If this would be in a test match it will be a huge draw no matter how strong the bowling is for Pakistan and no matter how bad the bowling is for India.
One dayers it would be much different results, most of the players in the Pakistani team listed above are one day specialist with the likes of Zaheer Abbas, Anwar and Wasim, Pakistan would definately get the upper hand.
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*Originally posted by UMAIR316: *
Looks like 2 very formidable teams, India with their alltime Great batsmans and Pakistan with their alltime great batsmans and great bowlers.
If this would be in a test match it will be a huge draw no matter how strong the bowling is for Pakistan and no matter how bad the bowling is for India.
One dayers it would be much different results, most of the players in the Pakistani team listed above are one day specialist with the likes of Zaheer Abbas, Anwar and Wasim, Pakistan would definately get the upper hand.
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Totally Agreed.
However Indian Oneday side will be little different from sides presented here. :)
Like ganguly and Srikanth will definitly come in in first 11.
