from what you have written there its very clear you dont have much of a clue about whats going on in that area. not that muslims are not blowing places up, they are. but to put them in a position where death is the only option besides running away and pretending never to have belonged to implementators of shariah, the previous rulers of afghanistan and all other links to their community is just pushing people into doing violent holywar. holywar because they believe in islam and we, normal pakistanis dont and if they implemented islam we would not attack them!
and whilst your quest to find binladen may appear very noble to you (and only you) , please can you put a limit to what your going to blow up in this quest and just take the original offer of the talibs to not let its land be used for purposes of int'l terror. thank you
Ok so if I am clueless, please educate me. Maybe Muslims are in a dire position but does this actually make it OK to blow each other up?
The quest for BinLaden is surely a goal but I dont think you realize that its more than finding just that one man...its more finding and eradicating that whole mind-set. Girls being gassed for going to school, girls schools being blown up. Women beaten for hair showing in public, men being tortured for not having a proper beard.
Yes Americans would celebrate if Bin Laden were caught. Perhaps even as much as some of the celebrations that took place in the streets of Pak when the Towers fell.
But THINK about it. Americans want the same result as the Pakistanis do. We think very differently, we want different things in life and .have very different expectations sometimes. But looking at Taliban, at suicide bombers, at terror attacks....we all in the end want the same things.
Ok so if I am clueless, please educate me. Maybe Muslims are in a dire position but does this actually make it OK to blow each other up?
The quest for BinLaden is surely a goal but I dont think you realize that its more than finding just that one man...its more finding and eradicating that whole mind-set. Girls being gassed for going to school, girls schools being blown up. Women beaten for hair showing in public, men being tortured for not having a proper beard.
Yes Americans would celebrate if Bin Laden were caught. Perhaps even as much as some of the celebrations that took place in the streets of Pak when the Towers fell.
But THINK about it. Americans want the same result as the Pakistanis do. We think very differently, we want different things in life and .have very different expectations sometimes. But looking at Taliban, at suicide bombers, at terror attacks....we all in the end want the same things.
It's not a maybe dear, they are in dire situation, they have been ever since the Americans got their hands in Muslim lands. I only appreciate the Americans for their operation in Afghanistan back in the late 80s, even then the same Pakistanis and Americans blame the poor Afghans for violence. Hypocrisy is what it is.
The towers fell (who knows who was behind), America invades two countries, ends up killing over 1.5 million people, all in the name of doing good. And still expect the Muslims to rectify themselves? Give me a break.
OBL is a hero to some Muslims because he speaks the realities on the ground unlike the Americans/others who have their heads buried in the ground. They take whatever their government feeds em, like sheep. Thank God for some people in America who seek the truth.
It's not a maybe dear, they are in dire situation, they have been ever since the Americans got their hands in Muslim lands. I only appreciate the Americans for their operation in Afghanistan back in the late 80s, even then the same Pakistanis and Americans blame the poor Afghans for violence. Hypocrisy is what it is.
The towers fell (who knows who was behind), America invades two countries, ends up killing over 1.5 million people, all in the name of doing good. And still expect the Muslims to rectify themselves? Give me a break.
OBL is a hero to some Muslims because he speaks the realities on the ground unlike the Americans/others who have their heads buried in the ground. They take whatever their government feeds em, like sheep. Thank God for some people in America who seek the truth.
May be the Amreekans are munifiqs, but what about the oil rich countries of middle east......they opened their ports, gulfs, waters, oil for american war machines........they provided command and control infrastructure for the whole war................every Arab country even the Shias in Iran wanted to see Saddam out..... Name one Arbob leader of middle east who has spoken against the war in Iraq.
Situation is Iraq today is no longer against occupation of US by iraq.......its now a fight for Iraq between Shias and Wahabi Sunnis of Arab.
May be the Amreekans are munifiqs, but what about the oil rich countries of middle east......they opened their ports, gulfs, waters, oil for american war machines........they provided command and control infrastructure for the whole war................every Arab country even the Shias in Iran wanted to see Saddam out..... Name one Arbob leader of middle east who has spoken against the war in Iraq.
Situation is Iraq today is no longer against occupation of US by iraq.......its now a fight for Iraq between Shias and Wahabi Sunnis of Arab.
Firstly, if you indians don't know anything about the issue, stop from commenting. We Muslims know how our leaders are puppets. No need to rub it in. And don't get me started on shias...! Iraq is controlled by iran via shias of iraq, Muslims are a minority in Iraq. the self-labeled kingdoms including saudi, uae.. in muslim world are biggest hypocrites this world has seen.
It's not a maybe dear, they are in dire situation,** they have been ever since the Americans got their hands in Muslim lands. I only appreciate the Americans for their operation in Afghanistan back in the late 80s**, even then the same Pakistanis and Americans blame the poor Afghans for violence. Hypocrisy is what it is.
i think Muslim conditions is very much dire from last 5 centuries, so before America it was Britain's, French, Spanish, USSR ... The whole Europe .. and then Rome/Iran?
Stop blaming others for your own problems, it didn't help why already try that from last 5/10 centuries !
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You fail to understand the ultimated goal is not capturing or killing OBL or his associates, it's thinking, imagination & ideology of extremists which is the ultimate target of not only US/Europe anymore: it's the motto of every single Muslim who have brain intact !
You fail to understand the ultimated goal is not capturing or killing OBL or his associates, it's thinking, imagination & ideology of extremists which is the ultimate target of not only US/Europe anymore: it's the motto of every single Muslim who have brain intact !
Exactly, they (the west n you) are against the thinking that Islam teaches. Including Jihad, which the west believes is threat to their existence and (some) "modernists" muslims like yourself don't understand or are too arrogant to accept that Jihad exists in our religion.
Exactly, they (the west n you) are against the thinking that Islam teaches.
ummmm.. like ?
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Including Jihad, which the west believes is threat to their existence and (some) "modernists" muslims like yourself don't understand or are too arrogant to accept that Jihad exists in our religion.
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If your Jihad means the
1) killing of innocent people
2) attacks on Public Buildings
3) Beheading the capture Soldiers/Men
4) Blowing up the women/girls schools/colleges
5) Force women/girls to wear tent (burkha)
6) Ban bra & sexual looking vegetables
7) Ban tv/music/art/culture
8) Kill all the Intellectuals who go against you.
8) and the list goes on .
then it might be jihad in your world, not mine - it's fasaad and the way of Khariji's !
cp, im no fan of how iraq went down the drain, but believe me the sunnis of af/pak havent faired much better - they've just been manipulated less. if you look at the situation of iraq, with one single sole leader incharge, and its demographics its easy to see the havoc that an evil eye could cause
the american did a professional job on iraq, and it started way back in the seventies
And what about raping the women and killing the children? Is that fair as well? Where's the justification for that?
Many quotations including (All's fair in love and war) are too idealistic or extreme to be applicable. Islamically, retribution is supposed to be equivalent to the offense....and if it's exceeds the limits, then it's considered a transgression.
I agree with MamaOf3, hers is the most sensible reply in the whole thread. :k:
Why do some of our Muslim brothers always think with their hormones instead of their brains?
I guess some guys just want to fast-forward everything to armageddon.
Violence is not always the answer.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
Targetting innocent American civillians for the wrongs of the goverment will not solve anyones problems, it will simply further demonise Muslims and Islam and increase the suffering of the Muslims.
Most Western civillians (at least here in the UK, including otherwise racist/fascist parties like the BNP) are opposed to the war.
Westerners are not bad people at heart, at least here in the UK they are not.
Deep down they’re just like us (only hate the other side because they wrongly assume the other side hates them), some hate us but only because they’re misinformed, ignorant and brainwashed by media propoganda…
Westerners are not truly hateful or venemous like certain other groups…
I have a friend and she use to say ignorant things about Muslims because a Sikh family friend of hers use to brainwash her and her family but then she met me and I corrected her misconceptions about us, and she has banned that Sikh guy from coming to her house.
Muslims should try and integarte themselves into mainstream society, be proud of being a Muslim but also be loyal to your country and show that you’re not an enemy, correct misconceptions and misunderstandings with patience and wisdom…
We should try and build bridges. There are certain groups and they want nothing more than for us (Muslims/Pakis) to be alienated from mainstream western society and it’s not westerners who want that…
Keeping aside Religion !!
I want to ask a question........
What IF your family killed in a Waana plane attack drown attack, Or in Palestine may be in Kashmir, Afghanistan OR Iraq.
you are the only person left digging rubble carrying young babies bodies mother sister father wife's body.
What do you think You would do ?
Keeping aside Religion !!
I want to ask a question........
What IF your family killed in a Waana plane attack drown attack, Or in Palestine may be in Kashmir, Afghanistan OR Iraq.
you are the only person left digging rubble carrying young babies bodies mother sister father wife's body.
What do you think You would do ?
I'd fight back with any means possible. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to himself/herself and is insulting their dead family.
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