Allegations Against Ahmediyya

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@psyah

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I am beginning to think that we need to take things very slowly.

Your statement in red is not what the statement in bold is saying. God is not being equated with fathers. Rather it is saying one day people ‘used to’ not anymore but used to during days of jahiliya celebrates fathers as though they were gods. Because they ‘used’ to do it, it means they no longer do it, so the verse is saying what you used to do was wrong, but if you do the same thing i.e. the celebration but this time doing it for Allah then it becomes right.

Surely you can see the English is clear on this?

Assalam o Alaikum WW Psyah,

I am glad to see you are taking part in this. Lets move to answer.

Not being a scholar or anything and taking full responsibility for my following analysis.

Firstly we agree that reading from verses it is clear that the subject matter is HAJJ.

Now the verse in question (Al-Baqrah-200) comes at point upon completing HAJJ. Then Allah says:

فَإِذَا قَضَيْتُمْ مَّنَاسِكَكُمْ فَٱذْكُرُواْ ٱللَّهَ كَذِكْرِكُمْ آبَآءَكُمْ أَوْ أَشَدَّ ذِكْراً فَمِنَ ٱلنَّاسِ مَن يَقُولُ رَبَّنَآ آتِنَا فِي ٱلدُّنْيَا وَمَا لَهُ فِي ٱلآخِرَةِ مِنْ خَلاَقٍ](http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3E:Open_Menu%28%29)

…"celebrate the praises of God, as ye used to celebrate the praises of your fathers"…

Now being a normal Human being at this stage I would take help from Tafseer of Quran for better understanding of verse. So I would point you back to Tafseer I presented earlier:

“And when ye have completed your devotions) upon finishing the rites of your pilgrimage, (then remember Allah) say: O Allah! (as ye remember your fathers) as you say: father! It is also said that this means: remember Allah for the blessings He showered on you as you used to remember the kindness of your fathers in the pre-Islamic era (or with a more lively remembrance) remember Him more than you used to remember your fathers. (But of mankind is he who saith) on the standing site: (“Our Lord! Give unto us in the world,) camels, cows, sheep, male and female slaves and wealth” (and he hath no portion in the Hereafter) of Paradise by performing the pilgrimage.”

I mean above Tafseer leaves absolutly no ambguity that you can remember ALLAH as your father.

Perhaps what I said in my post was a little mis leading. That was my own interpratation to make things a little more easier to understand. I do slighlty agree with your interpretation of the ayat. However this doesnt gives the full story. Please read the following commentary of the verse:

Lets get back to words oh Ilham.

“Anta Minni Bimanzilati Waladi”
“Tu mujhse bamanzala mere farzand ke hai”
“You are onto me as my son”

The ILHAM doesnt read that you ARE my son but as my son i.e Ista’aara ke maanon mien i.e for example.

Now lets take another example. Allah is our creator. He is our master. He loves us most. A hadith narrates: (sorry I do not have references from internet but book only with urdu translation)

“Al khalqu ayaalullaahe fa’ahabbul khalqi illallahe man ahsana ilaa iyaalehi”
(Mashkooa Baab Mutba Nizaami 323)

ke tamaam log Allah ke kumba hian pass behtreen insaan wo hai jo Allah ke kumba ke saath behtreen saloot karre.

I would try to tranlate this as: Everyone is part of Allah’s family and the best is who is best with Allah’s family.