Allah's Love

Salam All :flower1:,

In Sentry’s thread on why people have children, a member had posted that it was because he/she wanted to experience the love his/her parents felt fir him/her. So, this got me thinking about something.

I know that Allah created us to worship Him and that we are His servants and vicegerents. I have even read that Allah created us so we could know Him. In ahadith, Allah’s love has been compared to that of a mother’s. It is the only human relationship…to my knowledge…that Allah’s love has been compared to and it’s said to be 70 times greater than a mother’s love.

So when people say that they wanted to have kids so they can experience the love their own parents felt for them…and that one won’t understand the nature or depth of that love until they experience parenthood…it led me to wonder if Allah wanted us to understand the love He has for us through the experience of parenthood.

Am I making sense? I never really thought about things from this angle before. Allah wants us to know Him, to understand Him …by pondering over His creation. Is it possible that through parenthood Allah wanted to show the love He has for us?

What are your thoughts?

Re: Allah's Love

**Allah according to the famous poet Bulle Shah created this Kainaat.. and the whole purpose was LOVE!

ee pyar the khatir Arsh bannian

ee pyar the khatir Farsh bannian

khoud pyar khudda wich wassda aye

mein sach akdan Quran saumjh
**

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***jaiN dil wich pyar di ramz nahiN
bass ouou dil kouN weeran samajh

jadouN pyar di jaan sujhaan nahiN
ouou banday kouN nadaan samajh

ee-o pyar aye dars waleeaN da
aye maslak paak nabeeaN da

anmool pyar di daulat aye
ee-koun uqba da samaan samajh

eee pyar di khatir arsh banney
eee pyar di khatir farsh banney

khoud pyar khudda wich wassda aye
meiN sach ahdaa, Quran samajh***

Re: Allah's Love

Thank you, Obama. Your posts led me to learn more about Bulleh Shah.

No thoughts from anyone else? Are their any sayings or opinions that support this view...such as from the ulema?

Re: Allah's Love

Well some people say they have a dog and some smart children.
Those people are kind to both dog and their children.
Who could comprehend their kindness more ? (if your answer was dog.. you have issues)

So kids. Because they are more close to parents then dog, with more experience in kindness etc....

Well some other people say we come close to allah, by understanding his virtues.
Some one may ask "which one of his virtues"

Well, look what he called him self most, rehman and raheem
At same time, he want you to take care of vulnerable, needy.
He tell you how you can become a weaver of fabric of a delicate society.
All by kindness and generosity and by care.

If this made sense to you.
See what he want you to do, and what is its impact on society.
as taking care or yateem, maskeen women.
All that require our rahem, in results it give us, low crime society , more happy society and healthy generation.
Its all connected. And much of the control is giving in our hands.
And we are required to rahem, which is God's most frequently spoken about quality.

Now does this made sense ? :D

ps: :(

Re: Allah’s Love

:wsalam: & Peace redvelvet,

Plz see Video #1 hope you get the answer :slight_smile:

Re: Allah's Love

^Thank you, but not really. Apart from seeing the diagram, I've heard the whole khutbah by NAK on Surah Rehman. I understand that it is a mercy of Allah that He sent the Quran and gave us the ability to speak. I also understand that our purpose is to worship only Him.

Re: Allah's Love

Wa'aliakumuSalam Sister redvelvet

This is a hard question because there are so many parameters. In my experience the deepest wisdom in the Acts of Allah (SWT) are universally applicable. Lesser wisdoms are specifically applicable.

For parenthood to be a means to realise the Love of Allah (SWT) I can accept that on the basis of it being specific, but it is not a universal wisdom.

For there are some who are orphaned, some who are not, some who are themselves parented and some who are not, some who desire parenting and some who do not, some who become parents - experiencing it and some who do not. There is also a range of meaning in the concept of parenthood, from siring children to developing the inner and outer humanity of an individual.

It just so happens that the experience of parenthood out of the above possible scenarios gives us the best understanding of parenthood and that of love. It does not deal with the idea of where the impetus to be parents comes from ... merely that once we are parents we are better equipped to understand the relationship of dependency to intimate levels, however, it does not mandate that condition.

There could be parents who are not good at parenting, neither wanting to be nor being any good at it and there could be people without offspring who would be fully awe-struck with parenthood if they were given the parenting chance.

If then to avoid the uncomfortable advantage being given to parents we must conclude that to experience parenthood does not prevent knowing the Love of Allah (SWT), which could imply we have other ways to learn about the Love of Allah (SWT) or that one does not need to be a parent to understand the love of a parent.

In reality, there may be something specifically gained from being a parent that is otherwise not obtained for not being a parent, but that what is possible to be gained in both situations must be closer to the core universal wisdom that we seek. So what is it about parenthood that can be universally obtained that points to the Love of Allah (SWT)?

With all personal factors removed we may be able to conclude that parenthood is a form of mercy, which underlies other forms, parenthood is an ornament in the children for those who seek status from children, a form of power ... it is about personal propagation and self-preservation. Why else would the trees bear fruit?

But to appoint the rank of parent on the tree for its fruit we quickly realise that the only matter in which its parenthood applies is in that stem that provides the environment to the fruit to grow. In the most fundamental form a parent is a supplier of nourishment - an enabler of life.

So although parenthood may give a natural comparison between understanding life giver and life form ... it does not point to the purpose of giving life or in what capacity that life was being given. Allah (SWT) Gives life out of Wisdom, we procreate out of something natural and innate. We conclude that a blossoming tree is a happy tree, but can we conclude happiness always bears fruit? ... We don't know why the bearing of fruit is an expression of happiness. Rather our intellects would have us conclude that bearing fruit is a function of caution and protection, so how is happiness reconciled with caution and fear? Then how about the consequential angle? The trees blossom, we may want to preserve our family names, but what about animals? For animals and for many people children is a chance consequence of sexual behaviour - a side-effect of being happy - or should I say horny in the case of the lustfully driven. Is Creation a side-effect of a Creating Force? We cannot draw that conclusion either ...

Offspring are a gift and a problem ... that can escalate our path to God through sadqa-jariya or escalate our path to destruction by being a distraction from God ... This one or the other nature of offspring - will be reflected in one or the other nature of parenthood. The best way to view offspring is that they are fitna - "tests" ... that we can either pass or fail. So parenthood is a TEST. Our attachment to our children should be tempered and controlled yet our attachment with Allah (SWT) should know no limits ... We must position our love for Allah (SWT) greater than what we harbour for our children or companions or parents ...

If anything the amount of love we have for our children should be an indicator of what amount we need to exceed by when viewing the maqam of Allah (SWT). So how can we understand the Love of Allah (SWT) through parenthood? Well what we can do is to channel love towards Allah (SWT) when or if parenthood pleases us and we see ourselves loving our children - we should acknowledge Allah (SWT) and then bring ourselves to distance from that love of our children and supersede it with our love for Him. A fitna indeed !!!

By providing so many distractions to us from Loving Him ... He Shows His Needlessness of our love ... and by recognising this and loving our gifts within the context of the Gift-Giver ... we might succeed ...

How great a gift is a beautiful babe from my own person? And how much greater a gift is the Gift-Giver Himself?