Allah has forbidden you

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The Prophet (PBUH) said, "**Allah has forbidden you **

(1) to be undutiful to your mothers,
(2) to withhold (what you should give) or
(3) demand (what you do not deserve), and
(4) to bury your daughters alive.

And Allah has disliked that …

(A) you talk too much about others
(B), ask too many questions (in religion), or
(C) waste your property."

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 6

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The Prophet (PBUH) said, "**Allah has forbidden you **

(1) to be undutiful to your mothers,
(2) to withhold (what you should give) or
(3) demand (what you do not deserve), and
(4) to bury your daughters alive.

And Allah has disliked that …

(A) you talk too much about others
(B), ask too many questions (in religion), or
(C) waste your property."

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 6

Correlate with: Volume 9, Book 92, Number 395:

Narrated Warrad:
(The clerk of Al-Mughira) Muawiya wrote to Al-Mughira ‘Write to me what you have heard from Allah’s Apostle.’ So he (Al-Mughira) wrote to him: Allah’s Prophet used to say at the end of each prayer: “La ilaha illalla-h wahdahu la sharika lahu, lahul Mulku, wa lahul Hamdu wa hula ala kulli shai’in qadir. ‘Allahumma la mani’ a lima a’taita, wala mu’tiya lima mana’ta, wala yanfa’u dhuljadd minkal-jadd.” He also wrote to him that the Prophet used to forbid (1) Qil and Qal (idle useless talk or that you talk too much about others), (2) Asking too many questions (in disputed Religious matters); (3) And wasting one’s wealth by extravagance; (4) and to be undutiful to one’s mother (5) and to bury the daughters alive (6) and to prevent your favors (benevolence to others (i.e. not to pay the rights of others (7) And asking others for something (except when it is unavoidable).

Narrated by Mughirah, and he is claiming that he read this in a letter from Mu’awiyah. First part of the Hadith (prayer), I have not seen at other instances (independent from Mughira), so that alone says that the hadith is za’eef. A very good Hadith, but some of the content is contradicting the Quran in some ways:

1) Be dutiful to BOTH parents… Quran does not differenciate between father and mother.
Consider 19:14 "He (John/Babtist) was dutiful toward his parents, and was polite, not rebellious or arrogant.

2) “Qil” and “Qal” means narrating from others and not “asking questions”… the hadith is contradicting the one you mention, since the narrater himself is narrating from Mu’awiyah.

3) Asking questions is encouraged in Islam. Asking for and demanding “miracles” from the prophet (similar to what was asked of Moses by the Isrealites) is disliked.
Consider 6:109: *They swear by Allah that if a miracle comes to them, they would surely believe in it (the Book). Say, “All miracles are with Allah (if you reflect on the Universe). What can make you understand that even if a physical miracle came to them, they will find other excuses and still not believe? *

In my opinion, this Hadith is Za’eef … sorry bro!

[abeeramahmood]

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In my opinion, this Hadith is Za'eef ... sorry bro!

Salaam,

Im wondering if there is anything in the isnad to suggest this hadith may be Da'eef?

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@abeeramahmood

Salaam,

Im wondering if there is anything in the isnad to suggest this hadith may be Da’eef?

Bro what bigger “sanad” than the comparison with the Quran?

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Correlate with: Volume 9, Book 92, Number 395:

Narrated by Mughirah, and he is claiming that he read this in a letter from Mu’awiyah. First part of the Hadith (prayer), I have not seen at other instances (independent from Mughira), so that alone says that the hadith is za’eef. A very good Hadith, but some of the content is contradicting the Quran in some ways:

1) Be dutiful to BOTH parents… Quran does not differenciate between father and mother.
Consider 19:14 "He (John/Babtist) was dutiful toward his parents, and was polite, not rebellious or arrogant.

2) “Qil” and “Qal” means narrating from others and not “asking questions”… the hadith is contradicting the one you mention, since the narrater himself is narrating from Mu’awiyah.

3) Asking questions is encouraged in Islam. Asking for and demanding “miracles” from the prophet (similar to what was asked of Moses by the Isrealites) is disliked.
Consider 6:109: *They swear by Allah that if a miracle comes to them, they would surely believe in it (the Book). Say, “All miracles are with Allah (if you reflect on the Universe). What can make you understand that even if a physical miracle came to them, they will find other excuses and still not believe? *

In my opinion, this Hadith is Za’eef … sorry bro!

interesting analysis

Although , it is not a matter of much concern if this hadees is zaeef or not… but as you have raised some points so let me investigate a little. I hope i will get back to in due course.

[abeeramahmood]

Re: Allah has forbidden you

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Correlate with: Volume 9, Book 92, Number 395:
Narrated by Mughirah, and he is claiming that he read this in a letter from Mu’awiyah. First part of the Hadith (prayer), I have not seen at other instances (independent from Mughira), so that alone says that the hadith is za’eef. A very good Hadith, but some of the content is contradicting the Quran in some ways:

1) Be dutiful to BOTH parents… Quran does not differenciate between father and mother.
Consider 19:14 "He (John/Babtist) was dutiful toward his parents, and was polite, not rebellious or arrogant.

2) “Qil” and “Qal” means narrating from others and not “asking questions”… the hadith is contradicting the one you mention, since the narrater himself is narrating from Mu’awiyah.

3) Asking questions is encouraged in Islam. Asking for and demanding “miracles” from the prophet (similar to what was asked of Moses by the Isrealites) is disliked.
Consider 6:109: *They swear by Allah that if a miracle comes to them, they would surely believe in it (the Book). Say, “All miracles are with Allah (if you reflect on the Universe). What can make you understand that even if a physical miracle came to them, they will find other excuses and still not believe? *

In my opinion, this Hadith is Za’eef … sorry bro!

It’s quite a sweeping statement to say that a hadith from the collection of Bukhari is Da’eef. You’re not necessarily wrong but I didn’t entirely agree with your 3 notes on the matn and how this supposedly contradicts the Qur’an.

1- The hadith instructing one to be dutiful to his mother does not tell him to be undutiful to his father. This hadith is emphasizing one parent for a reason. As does the following well known hadith:

A man came to Allah’s Apostle and said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Who is more entitled to be treated with the best companionship by me?” The Prophet said, “Your mother.” The man said, “Who is next?” The Prophet said, “Your mother.” The man further said, “Who is next?” The Prophet said, “Your mother.” The man asked for the fourth time, “Who is next?” The Prophet said, “Your father.”
Narrated by Abu Huraira- Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith, 8.2.

Furthermore, it may be possible that this emphasis was specific to the needs of the time, in the same way that the Qur’an admonishes the burial of newborn girls [At-Takwir- 81:8-9], and does not speak about injustice to sons in this way. I’m sure you are aware of the social reality that women (mothers, daughters, sisters, wives etc) faced.

2- Agreed, “Qil” and “Qal” does not mean to ask questions. But it is also not as simple as to be translated as ‘narrating’. Even if this hadith were a product of pia fraus [pious fraud] it would be too, well stupid, to say that narrating is forbidden when the entire body of preservation was based on riwaya [narration]. It is evident though, that this means to speak of things in a gossipping manner, without beneficial purpose or evidence. “He said, she said” sort of thing.

3- Although I also have suspicions about the third point [as in I think the emphasis is on ARGUING about certain issues and not ASKING about them], I should like to check the Arabic of this part again before commenting.

wAllahu A’lam

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Salam,

Good to have a constructive discussion! Thanks

@abeeramahmood

It’s quite a sweeping statement to say that a hadith from the collection of Bukhari is Da’eef. You’re not necessarily wrong but I didn’t entirely agree with your 3 notes on the matn and how this supposedly contradicts the Qur’an.

1- The hadith instructing one to be dutiful to his mother does not tell him to be undutiful to his father. This hadith is emphasizing one parent for a reason. As does the following well known hadith:

A man came to Allah’s Apostle and said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Who is more entitled to be treated with the best companionship by me?” The Prophet said, “Your mother.” The man said, “Who is next?” The Prophet said, “Your mother.” The man further said, “Who is next?” The Prophet said, “Your mother.” The man asked for the fourth time, “Who is next?” The Prophet said, “Your father.”
Narrated by Abu Huraira- Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith, 8.2.

Again, give me example from the Quran. I am saying that parents are given equal status in the Quran from what I understand.

@abeeramahmood

Furthermore, it may be possible that this emphasis was specific to the needs of the time, in the same way that the Qur’an admonishes the burial of newborn girls [At-Takwir- 81:8-9], and does not speak about injustice to sons in this way. I’m sure you are aware of the social reality that women (mothers, daughters, sisters, wives etc) faced.

Yes I agree, but this is also figuratively talking about womens’ right (YES!!) in general. It does not have any bearing on the claim that Mother is greater than the Father. Both are considered equally responsible and to be given respect the same.

@abeeramahmood

2- Agreed, “Qil” and “Qal” does not mean to ask questions. But it is also not as simple as to be translated as ‘narrating’. Even if this hadith were a product of pia fraus [pious fraud] it would be too, well stupid, to say that narrating is forbidden when the entire body of preservation was based on riwaya [narration]. It is evident though, that this means to speak of things in a gossipping manner, without beneficial purpose or evidence. “He said, she said” sort of thing.

Perhaps I did not make it clear then. I do not see a major disagreement with you here. However, we have to understand that Qal has also been used in the Quran specifically for “quoting exactly”. go figure…

@abeeramahmood

3- Although I also have suspicions about the third point [as in I think the emphasis is on ARGUING about certain issues and not ASKING about them], I should like to check the Arabic of this part again before commenting.

Please do consult the Arabic lexicon as well… you should not be suspecious about this. The Quran is Mubeen and invites you to think. God’s message is not meant to dazzel with visual and superfluous miracles.