All time best players - Test and ODI (Wisden) - (Merged)

analyze_it · December 13, 2002, 4:10am

http://www.wisden.com/records/ratings/ratings.asp?colid=44120162

** All time most influential players by WISDEN**



Test batting top 10 
 name country innings runs average rating  
1 DG Bradman Aus 80  6996  99.94  1349.0
   
2 SR Tendulkar  Ind 165 8711 58.46 921.5   
3 IVA Richards WI 182 8540 50.24 913.9   
4 GA Sobers  WI 160 8032 57.78 912.0   
5 AR Border  Aus 265 11174 50.56 911.2   
6 JB Hobbs  Eng 102 5410 56.95 908.8   
7 KF Barrington  Eng 131 6806 58.67 907.3   
8 SM Gavaskar  Ind 214 10122 51.12 902.2   
9 GS Chappell  Aus 151 7110 53.86 889.2   
10 BC Lara WI 157 7572 49.49 881.9   

  
Test bowling top 10 

 name country matches wickets average rating  
**1 M Muralitharan  SL 78  437  23.53  1320.4**   
2 RJ Hadlee NZ 86 431 22.30 1232.9   
3 SF Barnes Eng 27 189 16.43 1209.3   
4 SK Warne Aus 107 491 25.71 1195.8   
5 CV Grimmett Aus 37 216 24.22 1184.8   
6 GD McGrath Aus 90 420 21.36 1158.4   
7 DK Lillee Aus 70 355 23.92 1153.1   
8 MD Marshall WI 81 376 20.95 1143.2   
**9 Imran Khan Pak 88 362 22.81 1123.7**   
10 CA Walsh WI 132 519 24.44 1115.8   
  


ODI batting top 10 

 name country innings runs average rating  
1 IVA Richards  WI 167  6721 47.00 1132.5   
2 SR Tendulkar Ind 291 11554 44.22 1119.3   
3 BC Lara WI 198 7550 42.64 1036.8   
4 DM Jones Aus 161 6068 44.61 1022.1   
5 MG Bevan Aus 161 5809 54.78 1016.7   
6 SC Ganguly Ind 203 8197 43.61 1012.6   
7 ME Waugh Aus 236 8500 39.35 1010.6   
**8 Zaheer Abbas Pak 60 2572 47.62 1009.4   **
9 JH Kallis  SA 160 5890 44.62 1001.2   
**10 Saeed Anwar Pak 239 8605 38.93 997.7**   
  


ODI bowling top 10 

 name country matches wickets average rating  
**1 Wasim Akram  Pak 349  488  23.73 1223.5**
   
2 AA Donald SA 159 268 21.40 1180.1   
**3 Waqar Younis Pak 253 403 23.84 1167.1**   
4 GD McGrath Aus 163 253 22.51 1165.9   
5 J Garner WI 98 146 18.84 1160.7   
**6 Saqlain Mushtaq Pak 162 278 21.58 1129.6   **
7 M Muralitharan SL 200 297 23.28 1108.0   
8 SM Pollock SA 177 254 23.08 1101.2   
9 SK Warne Aus 189 285 25.77 1073.2   
10 DK Lillee Aus 63 103 20.82 1072.9

andha_qanoon · December 13, 2002, 5:32am

I think Murali being best is gonna create lots of Controversy.

Even I wouldnot put him ahead of Hadlee.
Also S Waugh is a notable absentee from best Test batsman's list.he is definitly better than Border.

Rest is ok.

Pakistani_Tiger · December 13, 2002, 6:57am

........and what happened to him on South Africa tour?

Bad Tour.

Sharaabi · December 13, 2002, 9:20am

Murali...is nothing but a watta bowler.

He's only good on Asian pitches....out side Asia he is nothing but ordinary.

As far as being the best is concerned...Shane Warne is the Man...Murali is no where close to him.

coOoLBreeze · December 13, 2002, 11:05am

I really doubt Wisden's wisdom....
Murali is One of the most controversial bowler in the histroy of cricket.
and they selected him as one of the best.... He must have bribed them for sure..
he is a stupid jerk bowler, if you want any prove then go and watch the test match in which YoYo made 86 in there last tour of pakistan.( pakistan Lost that match)
you will have all the idea, he was bowling like a streety Watta ..
ager Mokaa miljataa, to Murali to gaya thaa oss din(honestly)
Wisden ppl are also jerks like him :(

funguy · December 13, 2002, 12:06pm

Hair or No Hair, Murali's balls are good!

Nakhrey_Wali · December 13, 2002, 2:13pm

I can see all ultey seedhey batsmen in the list but Miandad and Waugh. If not Bradman he was for sure the class of Border and Sobers.

Batsmen like Kallis, D.Jones and Ganguly are in top 10 ODI batsmen and Miandad is not there who was the best thing that happend to ODI cricket in late 80s.

Also no Wasim Akram in top 10 Test bowles ??
How do they decide the ratings ? by blind draw or what ? Whats their criteria of defining **most influential ** ??

andha_qanoon · December 13, 2002, 11:26pm

Re: Murali is the best!!!!!!!!

Personally I have doubt on these guys......



Test batting top 10 
 name country innings runs average rating  
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5 AR Border  Aus 265 11174 50.56 911.2   **

I would rather prefer Steve Waugh,Dravid ,Gower here.


Test bowling top 10 

 name country matches wickets average rating  
**1 M Muralitharan  SL 78  437  23.53  1320.4**   
I dont have issue with him being in Top 10.But No .1 is too much.
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5 CV Grimmett Aus 37 216 24.22 1184.8   **
why this guy? why not Botham,Wasim,Lance Gibs or Michal Holding.



ODI batting top 10 

 name country innings runs average rating  

**4 DM Jones Aus 161 6068 44.61 1022.1   **
why not Javed ,haynes, Waugh ?
**9 JH Kallis  SA 160 5890 44.62 1001.2   **
why not Javed ,haynes, Waugh ?




ODI bowling top 10 

 name country matches wickets average rating  
**6 Saqlain Mushtaq Pak 162 278 21.58 1129.6   **
does he deserve to be here.Why not Imran,Walsh,Ambrose?
**
10 DK Lillee Aus 63 103 20.82 1072.9   **
does he deserve to be here.Why not Imran,Walsh,Ambrose?

LahoriMunda · December 14, 2002, 7:45pm

Richards, Wasim best oneday players (Wisden)

Richards, Wasim best ever one-day players - Wisden
14 December 2002

Viv Richards and Wasim Akram have been named as the top one-day players in history by cricket bible Wisden.

The rankings of the 50 best batsmen and bowlers in limited overs cricket was published on Saturday, a day after the release of a list of the best 100 of each in Tests - Australian Don Bradman and Sri Lankan Muttiah Muralitharan taking the honours there.

Richards, who accumulated 6,721 runs in 167 one-day innings, was third behind Bradman and Sachin Tendulkar in Wisden’s Test rankings but leapfrogs the Indian into first place with his fellow West Indian Brian Lara in third.

Bradman does not appear in the list because the shorter version of the game was not played in his day, but Muralitharan is rated as the seventh best bowler.

Fast bowler Wasim’s 488 wickets in limited-overs matches gives him 220 more than South African Allan Donald in second place, while his fellow Pakistani Waqar Younis is third in the list ahead of Australia’s Glenn McGrath.

Wasim, who was ranked 15th in the Test list, became the first man to play in 350 one-day internationals earlier this month and has said he intends to retire after the World Cup in southern Africa early next year.

The ratings were based on a thorough anaylsis of one-day internationals since their inception in the 1970s, with runs scored and wickets taken accorded greater or lesser weight depending on the quality of opposition and the importance of the match.

The minimum criteria for each category was at least 2,500 runs scored and 100 wickets taken, which means that few players from the earliest era of the limited overs game made the lists.

Given the proliferation of one-day cricket in recent years, the list more accurately reflects the modern balance of power within the game.

While the Test lists had only two active batsmen - Tendulkar and Lara (10) - and active three bowlers - Muralitharan, Warne and McGrath (6), most of those highly-ranked in one-dayers are still playing.

And while England was well represented in the Test rankings, they have just four batsmen and three bowlers in the top 50 one-day lists.

Batsmen:

Viv Richards (West Indies) 2. Sachin Tendulkar (India) 3. Brian Lara (West Indies) 4. Dean Jones (Australia) 5. Michael Bevan (Australia) 6. Sourav Ganguly (India) 7. Mark Waugh (Australia) 8. Zaheer Abbas (Pakistan) 9. Jacques Kallis (South Africa) 10. Saeed Anwar (Pakistan)

Bowlers: 1. Wasim Akram (Pakistan) 2. Allan Donald (South Africa) 3. Waqar Younis (Pakistan) 4. Glenn McGrath (Australia) 5. Joel Garner (West Indies) 6. Saqlain Mushtaq (Pakistan) 7. Muttiah Muralitharan (Sri Lanka) 8. Shaun Pollock (South Africa) 9. Shane Warne (Australia) 10. Dennis Lillee
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Question · December 14, 2002, 7:58pm

**Players from Pakistan

Batting (2)

Zaheer Abbas (Pakistan)
Saeed Anwar (Pakistan)

Bowling (3)

Wasim Akram (Pakistan)
Waqar Younis (Pakistan)
Saqlain Mushtaq (Pakistan) **

BrokenSky · December 14, 2002, 10:28pm

well done pakistan!

Sohaib · December 14, 2002, 10:33pm

Javed miandad is a Must in one day game rankings beaucse he was the one who introduced the importance of singles and rotation of strike !

_Zaalim · December 15, 2002, 12:00am

UMAIR316 · December 15, 2002, 6:00am

This has to be a joke, no Javed Miandad in the list!
I can't believe Ganguly got picked over Miandad, he should be atleast in the top 3.

Question · December 15, 2002, 7:21pm

No Gavasker either first man to score 10,000 runs in TEST.

andha_qanoon · December 15, 2002, 7:33pm

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Question: *
No Gavasker either first man to score 10,000 runs in TEST.
[/QUOTE]

Gavaskar is in Best TEST players list.here is complete list.
Indian batmens in list
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TEST Batsman list
Tendulkar
Gavaskar

ODI batsman List
Tendulkar
Ganguly
**



Test batting top 10 
 name country innings runs average rating  
1 DG Bradman Aus 80  6996  99.94  1349.0

2 SR Tendulkar  Ind 165 8711 58.46 921.5   
3 IVA Richards WI 182 8540 50.24 913.9   
4 GA Sobers  WI 160 8032 57.78 912.0   
5 AR Border  Aus 265 11174 50.56 911.2   
6 JB Hobbs  Eng 102 5410 56.95 908.8   
7 KF Barrington  Eng 131 6806 58.67 907.3   
8 SM Gavaskar  Ind 214 10122 51.12 902.2   
9 GS Chappell  Aus 151 7110 53.86 889.2   
10 BC Lara WI 157 7572 49.49 881.9   


Test bowling top 10 

 name country matches wickets average rating  
1 M Muralitharan  SL 78  437  23.53  1320.4   
2 RJ Hadlee NZ 86 431 22.30 1232.9   
3 SF Barnes Eng 27 189 16.43 1209.3   
4 SK Warne Aus 107 491 25.71 1195.8   
5 CV Grimmett Aus 37 216 24.22 1184.8   
6 GD McGrath Aus 90 420 21.36 1158.4   
7 DK Lillee Aus 70 355 23.92 1153.1   
8 MD Marshall WI 81 376 20.95 1143.2   
9 Imran Khan Pak 88 362 22.81 1123.7   
10 CA Walsh WI 132 519 24.44 1115.8   



ODI batting top 10 

 name country innings runs average rating  
1 IVA Richards  WI 167  6721 47.00 1132.5   
2 SR Tendulkar Ind 291 11554 44.22 1119.3   
3 BC Lara WI 198 7550 42.64 1036.8   
4 DM Jones Aus 161 6068 44.61 1022.1   
5 MG Bevan Aus 161 5809 54.78 1016.7   
6 SC Ganguly Ind 203 8197 43.61 1012.6   
7 ME Waugh Aus 236 8500 39.35 1010.6   
8 Zaheer Abbas Pak 60 2572 47.62 1009.4   
9 JH Kallis  SA 160 5890 44.62 1001.2   
10 Saeed Anwar Pak 239 8605 38.93 997.7   



ODI bowling top 10 

 name country matches wickets average rating  
1 Wasim Akram  Pak 349  488  23.73 1223.5

2 AA Donald SA 159 268 21.40 1180.1   
3 Waqar Younis Pak 253 403 23.84 1167.1   
4 GD McGrath Aus 163 253 22.51 1165.9   
5 J Garner WI 98 146 18.84 1160.7   
6 Saqlain Mushtaq Pak 162 278 21.58 1129.6   
7 M Muralitharan SL 200 297 23.28 1108.0   
8 SM Pollock SA 177 254 23.08 1101.2   
9 SK Warne Aus 189 285 25.77 1073.2   
10 DK Lillee Aus 63 103 20.82 1072.9

UMAIR316 · December 16, 2002, 4:10am

How is Jacques Kallis in the top 10 list in batsman.
I take that he is a great allrounder and the 2nd greatest after Imran but if you take apart his batting and bowling individually, he shouldn't be even considered in the top 30.

If he is so good, than why isn't he a threat to the Pakistani bowlers.

Wisden is stupid.

andha_qanoon · December 16, 2002, 4:40am