Re: All religious people should stick this up on their walls
How did this turn into (yet another) anti-US rant? I believe the thread was religious in nature and could be applied to any self absorbed, non-spiritual person of any religion.
Your blindness and one-sidedness is evident once again…
First of all, thousands aren’t dying at the hands of Americans each month. Your brothers who-can-do-no-wrong are doing most of the killing right now. But t hey have been killing thousands each month for decades, where is your self righteous indignation about that? But you can’t see it, because Muslims can do no wrong.
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If they are doing it in the name of your sacred and perfect Islam, why do you spend all your posts lambasting the US? Why isn't there equal anger and condemnation? After all, you have no respect for the US, why would you expect anything different? It seems you would reserve some of that huge supply of anger and hatred for the Muslims who are killing Muslims. Muslims blowing up mosques, killing clerics and blowing up market places.
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Is it me or is everyone arguing in here missing the point of this thread.
The quote Sarah posted says this basically 'Look at yourself before you go looking at others'. And did the Prophet Sallallah Alaih Wasalam not teach the same thing ?
In 5th class in pakistan we were taught the Story of a woman coming to the Prophet Sallallah Alaih Wasalamasking him to advice her son to stop eating honey (i think it was honey) too much. The Prophet Sallallah Alaih Wasalam asked the woman to come back a few days later. When she did he advised her son not to eat Honey too much. The woman asked him why he didnt say the same thing a few days back, and he responded by saying that he himself wanted to act on the advice before he gave it to someone else.
Over the years i may forget the exact wordings and perhaps even the exact situation, but the jist of it remains solid in my mind. Look at yourself before you go looking at others.
Thats what her quote says. Be it from a muslim or non muslim hardly matters. Non muslims arnt automatically excluded from having wise thoughts or doing good actions.
Its easy to make assumptions about someone else and their thoughts or actions. But none except Allah knows what goes on in someone elses heart and mind. I know my wife much better than any of you folks here, and the sarcastic replies to her post just go to show me that you folks are infact ignorant on a lot of matters when it comes to religion and how one should behave islamically. No names taken, no quotes quoted.
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Any person, sane enough to know his name would also know never to insult somebody's object of adoration...And if somebody does it, that means he's sick in the head and must be removed by force from society and hurting others...<<<
That's human nature. Tiny little kids do it. It has gone on from time immemmorial so if we need to stop this, we should annihilate some children.
Muslims never do it...Why don't you scour the internet and look into any Muslim site and see if see a insult directed at any other religion...<<<
Au contraire. I've seen Muslims insult Americans, Hinduism (a prime subject for derision), Jews all the time on this board.
Why are you teaching Mullahs not to be aggravated? Mullahs are ignorant, little educated, hating, conniving little biatches, so it's a good thing to keep believing what the media tells you...Abstract construct and self made opinions are a no-no in the western world today...Today's enemy is the bearded, Muslim guy...You think CNN and FOX would lie? Shame on you...Only Mullahs lie...<<<
Who cares about Mullahs? That word is barely in my lexicon, I barely ever use it and this was most certainly not directed to "Mullahs" or to Muslims, but to all religious people, as is the title of the thread.
The point in sum being countering every attack on Islam is an exercise in futility and at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. What matters more is that Muslims are so pent up and so sensitive that they are not getting anywhere, that they are not giving attention to areas that need it. Our countries are some of the poorest in the world, with atrocious amounts of poverty and corruption. I think that's more important than someone flushing the Quran down the toilet. And let me say this too, if Person X doesn't react to that and rather than nearly giving himself a heart attack with outrage goes and gives a little charity in its stead, that person is probably doing more in service for Islam.
By the way, if you haven't read the book where the passage was from, I think it comes after an interfaith "discussion" (more like an attack from each side) between a priest, a pundit, and a moulvi. And this in India. A country with so much crushing poverty. That's why it's so pathetic, people dying from starvation all around them and these "good" people going at it with guns drawn.
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I don’t think that the two are related, you can be a jerk and a devout religious person at the same time, while you can also be a devout religious person and a most humble at the same time, and you can be a jerk and an atheist concurrently. Religion and social behavior are two different things. A jerk who disrespects other peoples’ belief will continue doing that even after converting to a different religion. Those who believe that their religion is the best and they are better than people of other religions are infact very insecure about their own beliefs and their own ability to succeed in their lives without having that little blanket (called religion) covering them.
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You construe my words as too harsh…They are not and let me explain why…
By sane I mean in Urdu being in one’s “Hosh-o-Hawaas”, which in some countries is 16 and in some 18 years…But in Islam, it’s usually after puberty…
So, if after puberty, one starts going around insulting (in more ways than one) other’s object’s of adoration, should we ignore it?..And how many kinds of insults are there? Would rape be classified as an insult?
How about a link…And what does construe as an insult?
Does me saying that I do not believe in Eesa :as: being the son of god :Nauzubillah: construe as an insult?
Does me asking a Hindu the origin of the Shiv Lingam construe as an insult?
Of course it doesn’t Sarah, but I have had my beliefs called siht, in these very terms on this board and nothing was done about it…
I opened one thread in feedback, and that’s it…Nothing happened…As Dubya said, 'It’s one thing to have justice, but it’s another to go overboard with justice…
My beliefs were insulted in open daylights and nothing happens, and if I state an opinion, respectfully, it is an insult…
Come on…
Who would classify as ‘religious’? The Imam of you local Masjid? The Imam of Masjid-ul-Haraam? The As’Haaba? Were they religious?
Look Sarah…Prosperity and success are in the hands of Allah :swt:…When the Jews were slaves of Egyptians for 600 odd years, did not mean that they were inferior to the Egyptians…
It matters not if we have no food to eat, but the sanctity of Islam must endure, not just with our hearts but actions as well…Today, we have Islam, in all corners of the world because of people who were ‘religious’ and placed their belief above all else…The expansion, that the media would have you believe was done by the sword, was by no other than actions and deeds of the people who were ‘religious’…
You or I can’t imagine to be like them…Even in heart…
It is important that from time to time, examples like Van Gogh are set, that whatever your jaundiced and artistic BS may perceive something to be, do not mess with it’s sanctity…
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Isn't it like saying..
OKAY we accept one part of the book that is to improve ourselves but then we will first reject the rest of it which is to spread the message of the book itself?
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^-- exactly what I thought when i read the passage.
Feeding orphans .. helping those in need, are good deeds, and spreading the word of Allah, and "getting puffed up" when Islam is insulted are also good deeds, becaues they signify your love for the religion of Allah..
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neither fulfilment of "huqooq Allah" nor fulfilment of "huqoq alibaad" alone can guarantee a muslim success on the day of judgement....
there r those who think prayers, fasting, hajj etc is good enuff....
and there r those who think giving out charity, helping poor, helping orphans etc is good enuff....
both r wrong....
…oh whathekek!
now we are talking sense