Re: All Hindu street names of Lahore to be “Islamised”
To be a Hindu is not a matter of blood or inheritence…it is a matter of faith. We are not Hindu. Period. My ancestors may have been. I am not. Nor are most Pakistanis.
The fact is, aside from superficial things, most Pakistanis do not relate to traditional Hindu culture aside from whatever isn’t overtly religious.
Re: All Hindu street names of Lahore to be “Islamised”
Pooccie, it is not matter of faith, it is matter of who built these roads. If Ganga Ram built the hospital, don’t call it Moulana Shafeek Halway Wala Trust Hospital. If Moulana Shafeek builds a hospital, he can call it whatever the hell he wants. Get it?
Do you know why couldn’t Zia change the name of JacobAbad Sindh? Because people who live there consider Jacob (An English Commander of that city during Colonial India) to be a Saint, and they have Urs at his tomb every year. Try telling them that you want to change the name Jacobabad to something else, and see which finger they show you.
It’s only garbage Mullah mentality that wants to re-write our history. They can go and screw themselves and go back to where they came from.
Re: All Hindu street names of Lahore to be “Islamised”
Roads often change names. Institutions, etc. do not.
To what extent do we need to hang off history? What is so important to retain links to our obscure Hindu past, and even mor troubling, our colonial past? History needs to be relevant. Otherwise, it’s just not ours anymore.
Re: All Hindu street names of Lahore to be "Islamised"
Well wake me up when ‘you’ decide that Colonial India (including Islamic Empires) was not our past. Be proud of your past instead of having this insatiable desire to shove your head up Molvi’s 24 hours a day.
Some moron changed Lyalpur’s name, but folks from that city still identify themselves as Lyalpurias. Did you know that Lahore is named after Loh, son of Ram? Do you want to change that into Mohammad Pura too?
You don’t decide what your History is. It is what it is.
Re: All Hindu street names of Lahore to be “Islamised”
actually changing names does wipe out history…if it didnt ppl wudnt be so passionately defending the old names… 
Re: All Hindu street names of Lahore to be “Islamised”
That’s an unfortunate attitude. The mullah has nothing really to do with this…they’re simply on one side of the argument. The question is, how relevant is this history to contemporary Pakistanis? The history may be interesting…however it fails to inspire by far and wide.
There are minor counter examples here and there. However, I don’t see anyone rushing to brush up on Hindu mythology, and what not.
Now, insofar as the British colonial period is concerned…is being subservient to a foreign business enterprise really something to be proud of? Pride and interest are two different things. It’s important history, as it led to the formation of Pakistan. But pride?
Harappa is another interesting example. Although fascinating to study, many people simply don’t have the emotional connection to this ancient civilization as, say, the Greeks and Persians do to theirs. Never mind that neither of the latter two probably bare little resemblance to the ancient Persians or Greeks. There’s just too much of a disconnect on the part of most Pakistanis, in particular those who have migrated from India.
I wouldn’t care less…now how many Lahories are passionate about Ram? I mean, let’s not overstate the case. Those who oppose these name changes do so on the grounds of it being a frivolous move, or a cheap political stunt. Few raise the banner of preserving some history many of us are just inherently disconnected with.
[font=‘Times New Roman’]Now, just what would be your objection to naming Lahore to “Muhammad Pura”, or what not? In large part, it’s probably a more accurate description of who we are today.
[font=‘Times New Roman’]
[font=‘Times New Roman’]
Re: All Hindu street names of Lahore to be “Islamised”
It seems an odd concern for a “Pakistani”…a name that had not occured in history prior to 1947…but again, people will keep what they are attached to. The rest is for the academics.
Re: All Hindu street names of Lahore to be “Islamised”
Poccie, tell me something. Have you ever talked to a Lahoria? I mean a real Lahoria and asked where Shahrahe-Qaid-e-Azam is? Davies Road is called such because Bertrand Davies built it. Grand Trunk Road (Urf GT Road) was built by SherShah Soree… try changing these names to Shah Faisal Road or whatnot. Wana change the name of Shalimar Garden to Al-Aqsa Gardens? How about Shahi Masjid to Osama Ladan Masjid? Places and names are part of history and any attempt to change them (under the pretense of that “we” are not “connected”) is the stupidest thing one can even think about.
Do you know that Muree Road in Rawalpindi was renamed something many years ago, and 90% of natives don’t know what it was renamed to. It is still called Muree Road.
And you are talking about those who emigrated from India. Well they shouldn’t have any say into it to begin with.
And you bet your arse that only Mullahs are after this nonsense of trying to wipe out non-Islamic history of Pakistan, and you have no clue how important Hirapa and Mohenjodoro are – they happen to now belong to the world treasures and the UN is responsible for their protection and preservance.
I would like to change the name of Islamabad to Dictatorabad, because this names gives Islam a bad name, and there is nothing Islamic about that ugly city. And while we are at it, let’s rename Karachi to New Bihar.
Re: All Hindu street names of Lahore to be “Islamised”
Yes. And they know. Especially the younger generation.
There is a disconnect in your logic. If people are in fact disconnected, then they could care less about what so-and-so road is called. How many lahories really know who Davies was? After finding out…how many CARE?
How much of that is due to fond memories of certain locales in one’s own life, rather than some mythos attached to the location?
[/quote]
That’s a sad, sad point of view. Bigoted and small-minded…you’d rather give Mr. Jacob more mindshare then the opinions of your contemporary countrymen?
Re: All Hindu street names of Lahore to be “Islamised”
to add more mirchi to the debate…a lot of street names in karachi were changed a long time ago…loads of saddar streets have been renamed…there used to be things like elephant’s street/avenue and NOBODY knows abt them anymore, except the older ppl,and those too who used to go to the place…i am sure mountbatten also knows of it……of course those residing there will know abt them but most other ppl wudnt…
now saddar a few years ago was something big, it still is, but now nobody says if u havent seen saddar u havent seen karachi…same thing for lahore, its an expanding city…who the hell cares what lyalpuris like to call themselves…the focus from certain towns and places shifts very easily over time as more areas get developed…just as easily as the older generation dies out and none of the newer ones know anything abt it…
so yes, changing names really does wipe out history…
Re: All Hindu street names of Lahore to be “Islamised”
what percentage of karachi’s population has roots that go beyond 60 yrs in karachi? not even a valid debate, gullu rani. lo soongo..
Re: All Hindu street names of Lahore to be “Islamised”
karachi does have it share of very strong historical structures and institutions, as far as the Colonial India debate goes…just becoz its population drastically changed at independence doesnt mean that the city wasnt historical…saddar still has hold over a large chunk of trade and business in karachi and the place has pre-partition roots… changed demographics ‘only’, cant do much to a lot of things…
and since kar changed and it didnt matter to anyone in the long run, why shouldn’t other places as well… lahore hasnt been the same either since partition, there are old people who’ll die over the ‘purana shehr’, but that cant stop things from changing, can it?..
Re: All Hindu street names of Lahore to be “Islamised”
like you admit, gullu, there are very few “old people of karachi”, unlike lahore where a majority of residents’ roots run deep thru their neighbourhood. not surprising at all if no one in karachi cares if the handful of old street’s there have their names changed. ahh.. lo ek aur..
Re: All Hindu street names of Lahore to be "Islamised"
i think u all gona discuss which is not concern to the thread
but in my openion , unfortunatialy , in our country , mostly ppl discuss the non issues
is it right?? and our leaders always do the same dame thing,
meray khyaal main yea sochain kay streets hain bhe ya nahe , humaray mulk main , wahan to streets ki halat daikh ker koi yea nahe keh sakta kay yea sirf guzargahian hain ya streets, aur hum naam badal ker sochtay hain kay hum nay ak acha culture laye hain
ehh...............
yea ppl ka issue to anhe hay , ppl ka isuue to yea hya kay streets ko proper , banayeen, , kaheen rood tota hua hay kahee gutter khulay hain kahe kiya .......
aur naam badal ker koi faida nahe hay
hum hamesha non issue ko discuss kiyoon kertay hain ,
at the end,
this is not a issue of public
Re: All Hindu street names of Lahore to be “Islamised”
hahahahahaha you may want to audition in that Babas Istraie thread.
Re: All Hindu street names of Lahore to be “Islamised”
u r making lahore out to be some historical city where everyone just stays put in whichever area they first landed in from the pind…just becoz it has more older people living there who lived there earlier, doesnt mean they havent shifted around or that more ppl didnt come in…focus shifts from one residential place to others, and thats when these things stop mattering, if not to the ppl who live there then to ppl outside those places, not becoz of numbers of older people…
Re: All Hindu street names of Lahore to be "Islamised"
karachi is veyr older
agar kisi ko parhna hoo to Qudrat Ullah Shahab (late)a very famous writer and a great person, un ki book "surkh feeta" main aik refrence hay aik english writer kay saraf namay ka , agar kisi nay parha hoo to, karachi main aab takbohot si aisi cheezain hain jo shayed karachi ki history bata sakte hain , nishat cenima ki beck side , mean garden kay area aur rinchor line ki taraf aik qabristan main aab bhe aisi qbrain hain jo kay yahodiyoon ki hain jo second worldwar sy pehaly karachi main rehtay hain , karachi is a hisrotical city, jo yea kahta hay kay karachi main in loogo ka ratio bohot kam hay jo booht pehlay say yahan reh rahay hoon , un ko chaye kay mewa shah jain jahan unko 1883 ki qabrain bhe nazar ayengi aur aur abhe tak un loogo ki agli nasal wahan aate hay ,
lahore is a great city , with great histoy and karachi as well
i love karachi very much , ilove lahore and pakistan
keep smile
Re: All Hindu street names of Lahore to be "Islamised"
Poccie, who is a bigot, the one who wants to wipe out the non-Islamic history or Pakistan or the one who wants to retain it? Hope you are dumb enough to figure it out. Here, let’s bulldoze Shahi Masjid and turn it into Hira Mandi Parking Lot? How is that for new Pakistani History? I am sure that will make you very very happy you racist and big minded bigot. You know they changed Lawrance Garden into Bagh-e-Jinnah in Lahore. How lovely is that?
Re: All Hindu street names of Lahore to be "Islamised"
We should also change the name of Lahore, in French, "the Whore". We should name it Osamabad, or Musharafabad...but I think Omarabad will suit nicely.
Re: All Hindu street names of Lahore to be "Islamised"
[QUOTE]
I am sure that will make you very very happy you racist and big minded bigot. You know they changed Lawrance Garden into Bagh-e-Jinnah in Lahore. How lovely is that?
[/QUOTE]
What is wrong with that? Was Mr. Lawrance a Pakistani? Apparenlty, the opinions of Pakistanis don't count...