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so you go by quantity rather than quality of narraters? interesting.
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who ever said that but rijal and history cannot judged at the same way as hadith is judged and even amongst that there is dispute who is or isnt a reliable narrater.
And no i dont stick dogmatically to sunni hadith masters discrediting of historians e.g Hisham ibn kalbi the master of maghazi and rijal is discredited by most sunni hadith masters in matters of HADITH ALONE yet he is quoted extensively by them in their biographical books
andhay ho kar laathi nahin chalani chahiyay
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do you know there was a time in history where recording false ahadith was encouraged. still, i have a simple question ....
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yes there was by both shias and sunnis ...but that does not mean that any hadith that you or your beliefs are not comfortable with is automatically fabricated
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when the Prophet (saw) passed away, Hazrat Abu Bakr was selected to be caliph, which is not a minor thing, the question is why wasnt Hazrat Ali asked to be present or involved in the matter? I mean, the selection of a leader is not a minor thing....is it?
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honestly first answer this did abu bakr or umar start the saqifa gathering ?
it was a gathering by ansar of medina to nominate a chief amongst the ansar ....u r right that ali & banu hashim shud have been consulted and thats why ali & his supporters were upset intially.But the discussion at saqifa revolves mainly around qualities of muhajireen and ansar , and mention of Ali by ansar was in recognition of his qualities.
If Ali was appointed divine leader in front of all then all other discussion would have been meaningless
*And according to ur beliefs ali was APPOINTED by God , so what was the point of consultaion anyway ? nor cud there be any question of selection *
So according to this logic ansar violated a explicit commandent of God , conspired against ali and later muhajireen collaborated with them to keep leadership from ali ...
and this is how 12ers discredit the vast majority of sahaba from both muhajireen and ansar
I do admit ( and umar said that too) that saqifa was a ad hoc and not the best possible way to select a leader but at that time the quality of muslims was such that even a far from perfect method cuz still result in a person like abu bakr bcoming caliph ( who according to most muslims is of impeccable credentials)
Thats why neither umar nor abubakr followed saqifa's model of succession.