Alex the Great and lasting influences on Pakistan

As usual, re: my fascination on the ever-interesting topic of Alexander the Great and his conquest of Pakistan, following is an enlightening piece…hope you enjoy the read:

"Long before the rise of Chandra Gupta Maurya the Achaemenian empire, that had extended from Pakistan to Greece and Egypt, had collapsed under the onslaught of Alexander of Macedonia. He first finished with the Greek city states, united the Greeks, and dashed forward to annex the Achaemenian empire and hence proceeded to all those places where the Achaemenian had ruled. In this march they come to Taxila in 326 B.C. where he was welcomed by the local king Ambhi in his palace at Bhir mound. It is here as well as at Bhira in Jhelum district that Alexander’s remains can be seen. However, he fought the greatest battale on the bank of the Jhelum river opposite the present village of Jalalpur Sharif against Porus, the head of the heroic Puru tribe, whose descendents still supply military personal to the Pakistan army. Alexander’s battle place was at Mong, where he founded a new city, called Nikea, the city of victory. The other city which he founded was called Bucaphela after the name of his horse that died here. However, the most captivating site is at Jalalpur Shaif, laying on the bank of rivulet Gandaria, perhaps Sikanaria, where Alexander’s monument has now been built on the spot where he stopped for about two months before launching his attack on Porus.

The Achaemenian and Alexander’s contacts with Pakistan are very important from the point of view of educational and Cultural history. The Achaemenian brought the learning and science of Mesopotamia Civilization that enriched the University of Taxila. They also introduced their administrative system here, on the basis of which the famous book on political science, called Arthasastra was written in Sanskrit language in Taxila by Kautilya, known as Chanakya, the teacher of Chandra Gupta Maurya. It is this book that was adapted for the administrative of the Mauryan empire. On the basis of Achaemenian currency the Mauryan punch marked coins. So well known in Taxila, were produced. It is their Aramaic writing, used by Achaemenian clerks, that led to the development of Kharoshti in Pakistan and trade with the Semitic world that created the Brahmi writing in India. On the other hand Alexander brought Greek knowledge and science to Taxila and introduced Greek type of coin currency. It is Taxila that philosophers and men of learning of the two countries met and developed science, mathematics and astronomy. Above all Alexander left behind large number of Greeks in Central Asia, who founded the Bactrian Greek kingdom in mid-third century B.C. it is the descendants of these Bactrian Greeks who later advanced in to Pakistan and built up the Greek kingdom here and built up their own city at Sirkap in Taxila. This is the second well planned city in Pakistan. The Greeks introduced their language, art and religion in the country of Gandhara, where ruled thirteen Greek kings and queens. Their language lasted more than five hundred years and their art and religion and considerable influence on the flourish of Gandhara Civilization.

This civilization was the result of interaction of several peoples who followed the Greeks, the Scythians, the Parthians and Kushans who came one the other from Central Asia along the Silk Road and integrated them selves into the local society. It is under their patronage that Buddhism evolved here into its new Mahayana form and this become the religion of the contemporary people in Pakistan. Under their encouragement the Buddhist monks moved along the Silk Road freely and carried this religion to central Asia, China, Korea and Japan. It is again the trade along the silk road that was particularly controlled by the Kushana emperors, who built a mighty empire with Peshawar as their Capital, the boundaries of which extended from the Aral Sea to the Arabian Sea and from Afghanistan to the Bay of Bengal. It is the dividends of trade that enriched Pakistan and led to the development of Gandhara Art, which mirrors the social, religious and common man’s life of the time. It is an art that was blend of the Greek classical and local arts, which created the finest statues of Buddha and Buddhisatttvas that today decorate the museums all over the world. At the same time the sculpture depict the whole life of the Buddha in a manner that is unsurpassed. Many Greek themes, their gods, typical toilet trays, Greek life scenes showing musicians, drinking bouts and love making are presented in there natural fashion. The Kushanas period was the golden age of Pakistan as the Silk Road trade brought unparalleled prosperity to the people of the country.

The luxury items produced in the country enrich the museum at Taxila at that show the Cultural and trends of life of the time. Gandhara art is the high water achievement of the people of Pakistan. Mahayana Buddhism was the inspiring ideal of the time and the Buddhist stupas and monasteries survive in every nook and corner of the hills. It was this time that the country was known as Kushana-shahar, the land of the Kushanas, to which came the Romanships to carry the luxury goods in exchange for Roman Siler and Gold, that were used by the Kushana emperors and as a result their gold currency flooded the country and all along the Silk road. It is these Kushana kings who have gifted the national dress of shalwar and kamiz and sherwani to Pakistan. Their dress and decorations are deeply imprinted on the Indus land, that is now Pakistan."

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Re: Alex the Great and lasting influences on Pakistan

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Alexander the Great and his conquest of Pakistan
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He must be far ahead of his time to be conquesting Pakistan in 323 BC.

^^ In other words, Alexander was the one who came up with the name Pakistan. That Alexander guy must have been sharp to know so many languages, even before they were spoken by any one else.

a typically sweetpie thread! :smiley:

very informative :k:

i wonder what picture the subcontinent would have been had Alex stayed here longer…it would have been much diff im sure and the race dominatingly inhabiting these areas would have been a new race with a combination of Greek, Arabian, Dravidian blood…

That is the case even now in some regions :flower2:

^true sweetpie. but they are basically confined to the north western parts of the subcontinent. i meant had they stayed here longer they would have spread out farther to the east and south and hence mixing the local races to some extent with their greek blood. perhaps causing a wipeout of the 'pure' local breeds from diff areas such as Punjab, Bengal, Tamil Nadu etc.

Well there aren't any "pure" breeds left anymore especially in Pakistan, I think. By the way, aren't you mistaken...aren't Dravidians supposed to be a race belonging to southern India? I don't think the Dravidians occupied areas that are currently northern Pakistan, say north Punjab, NWF, and Kashmir, etc. As far as I know, the races that dominated the northern Punjab, for example (ie. Rawalpindi, Chakwal, Attock, Sialkot, etc.) regions were Bactrian, Scythian, Kushan, Hun, Gujjar, Arayn, and on and on the list goes. Now, whether these particular groups were themselves originally of some singular "pure" race is another question altogether. I think maybe around 5% (if I'm lucky) of my racial background is "pure" at all, considering geneology.

SP if yout think that in the 10000 years of south asian establishment southern Indians didn't screw a lot of northern Indians , you are devoid of common sense. Think about it....
Now you and I have met and you are darker than I am. What does that tell you?

^ MEEEE DARKER THAN YOU??????? :D :D :D Keep deluding yourself and your GS pals who haven't seen you! You are wheat brown; I am light olive-toned. I know that isn't what you like hearing Ram-Lakhan Sahib, but truth is the truth. Skin color aside, re: Dravidians, there may be a mix with the northern people but I don't think that there is too much Dravidian blood left these days in people of the north as opposed to say thousands of years ago, as you said.

Aren’t olives green or black, how can you be green skinned or light black skinned? And what is wheat brown? My God all these shades of food stuffs is making me hungry maybe I'll ask one of my feta cheese coloured colleagues if they want to get some lunch.

^ That is funny!

Mats…. Abay Angraiz ki aulad, aaj Kaliya ko convert karna hey (New York Style). So powder yourself liberally. I am going to do it too.

5:30 @ 42nd.

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^ MEEEE DARKER THAN YOU??????? :D :D :D Keep deluding yourself and your GS pals who haven't seen you! You are wheat brown; I am light olive-toned. I know that isn't what you like hearing Ram-Lakhan Sahib, but truth is the truth. Skin color aside, re: Dravidians, there may be a mix with the northern people but I don't think that there is too much Dravidian blood left these days in people of the north as opposed to say thousands of years ago, as you said.
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SP, the truth is you are darker than I am. There were others there as well, we can get it confirmed. Now there is nothing wrong with your brown skin. Don't be so hard on yourself. Goray chittay loag like me still hang out with kalay kalay loag like yourself because we see things beyond color.

You are very pretty eventhough you are darkskinned. :Pretty:

I say, you both post your pics to settle the matter once for all.

^ chup bey kalay!!! Do you think I would post my pic just like that? I need a dedicated forum just for me and haar and mithai and siht before such an honor is bestowed upon my people. :snooty:

I was there Mats, and I really couldn’t notice either one of you, you just looked so fuzzy…I on the other hand must have been glowing for all of you to see. I am so radiant that I put moon to shame.

^ :hehe:

You glowed becuase you think Crisco is an aftershve lotion.

Or may be too many pints of cheap ale. Last St Paddy’s day, I turned green. The thing with me is that after a few, I don’t care who I am with or who is with me, as long as I am with someone and someone is there to be with me.

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Well there aren't any "pure" breeds left anymore especially in Pakistan, I think. By the way, aren't you mistaken...aren't Dravidians supposed to be a race belonging to southern India? I don't think the Dravidians occupied areas that are currently northern Pakistan, say north Punjab, NWF, and Kashmir, etc. As far as I know, the races that dominated the northern Punjab, for example (ie. Rawalpindi, Chakwal, Attock, Sialkot, etc.) regions were Bactrian, Scythian, Kushan, Hun, Gujjar, Arayn, and on and on the list goes. Now, whether these particular groups were themselves originally of some singular "pure" race is another question altogether. I think maybe around 5% (if I'm lucky) of my racial background is "pure" at all, considering geneology.
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sweetpie,
youre right, Dravidians do belong to the southern parts of India and yes, perhaps no breeds are pure anymore in india pakistan as there has been a lot of mixing during the past many centuries.
what i was trying to say was that had Alexander stayed any longer in India, he would have tried conquering more areas, he would have left his Greek soldiers in more villages in many diff parts of the Indian subcontinent as far as the east and south areas of Bengal, Kerala etc. in that way the Greek blood would have mixed with Dravidians of the south or perhaps even the oriental races in the north east. But that didnt happen and Alex left soon, leaving his blood confined only to the NW parts of the subcontinent, never having the time or chance to mix with the other bloods in other parts of the subcontinent.

haha! yeah since its turning into such serious debate this seems to be the best idea! :k:
go ahead guys prove each other wrong!