COULD ANY ONE PLEASE LET ME KNOW, that when say:
ALLAH HUMMA SALEH ALA MOHAMMAD… WA ALA ALEHE MOHAMMAT
Means when it is permisible to send Salam on his Family ..
**(According To Quran, Verse **of purity (Ayat Al-Tathir.
THEN WHY SOME PEOPLE STILL SAY: HAZRAT ALI (RA) WHY NOT AHLE SALAM, WHEN ALL MUSLIM ALREADY DOING AT JOING SALAM.
Similar HAZRAT FAIMA (AS)
HAZRAT HASSAN (AS)
HAZRAT HSSAIN (AS
BECUASE (RA) is just for Companions (Not for FAMILY)
PLEASE COME ATHENTIC SOURCE FROM QURAN
COULD ANY ONE PLEASE LET ME KNOW, that when say:
ALLAH HUMMA SALEH ALA MOHAMMAD... WA ALA ALEHE MOHAMMAT
Means when it is permisible to send Salam on his Family ..
**(According To Quran, Verse **of purity (Ayat Al-Tathir.
THEN WHY SOME PEOPLE STILL SAY: HAZRAT ALI (RA) WHY NOT AHLE SALAM, WHEN ALL MUSLIM ALREADY DOING AT JOING SALAM.
Similar HAZRAT FAIMA (AS) HAZRAT HASSAN (AS) HAZRAT HSSAIN (AS
BECUASE (RA) is just for Companions (Not for FAMILY)
PLEASE COME ATHENTIC SOURCE FROM QURAN
Respected Healthy-mind
I fully second your point of view. Salam can even be sent to fellow Muslims like "Assalaam-o-Alaikum wa Rahmat-ullahe wa Barakato-hu" meaning thereby, "May salaam, rahmat and barkat of Allah be upon you".
Infact most of the books by Brelvis and Shias categorically use the word "Alahe Salaam for men and Alaha Salaam for the women of Ahle Bait". Even in my childhood when I used to study Dinyat and later Islamiyat these words were regularly used. I very clearly remember that till 1980 most of the books of Islamiyat used the words of "Imam and Alahe Salaam" for Hazrat Imam Hassan and Hussain (AS). Even as late as 1982 when I did my Matric from Lahore Board, there used to be a separate book and paper of Islamiyat for Shia students. But later because of the Governement Policy, the words of "Imam and Alahe Salaam" were abolished in most of the Government Published books of Islamiyat. If I may summaise it;
1. Shias always say "Hazrat Imam Hassan/Hussain Alahe Salaam".
2. Brelvis usually say "Hazrat Imam Hassan/Hussain Alahe Salaam".
3. Deobandis generally say "Hazrat Imam Hassan/Hussain Razi Allah Anho".
4. Ahle Hadith normally say "Hazrat Hassan/Hussain Razi Allah Anho".
By the way everybody has their own logics.
Wassalam.
Respected Healthy-mind I fully second your point of view. Salam can even be sent to fellow Muslims like "Assalaam-o-Alaikum wa Rahmat-ullahe wa Barakato-hu" meaning thereby, "May salaam, rahmat and barkat of Allah be upon you". Infact most of the books by Brelvis and Shias categorically use the word "Alahe Salaam for men and Alaha Salaam for the women of Ahle Bait". Even in my childhood when I used to study Dinyat and later Islamiyat these words were regularly used. I very clearly remember that till 1980 most of the books of Islamiyat used the words of "Imam and Alahe Salaam" for Hazrat Imam Hassan and Hussain (AS). Even as late as 1982 when I did my Matric from Lahore Board, there used to be a separate book and paper of Islamiyat for Shia students. But later because of the Governement Policy, the words of "Imam and Alahe Salaam" were abolished in most of the Government Published books of Islamiyat. If I may summaise it; 1. Shias always say "Hazrat Imam Hassan/Hussain Alahe Salaam". 2. Brelvis usually say "Hazrat Imam Hassan/Hussain Alahe Salaam". 3. Deobandis generally say "Hazrat Imam Hassan/Hussain Razi Allah Anho". 4. Ahle Hadith normally say "Hazrat Hassan/Hussain Razi Allah Anho". By the way everybody has their own logics. Wassalam.
dear brother:
If you leave the personal logics and look in Salam, you will see that Alehe Salam is only deserve for the Prophet Holy family members, where Razi Unho is for true companion.
Therefore some fanatics due to there personal logic seperating the holy family members from Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) ,where 33:33 clearlly shows that these members are clean and purified from all uncleaniness,, and its enough for sending salam on them,,,, as We send on Ibrahim and his family..
Salam,
May Allah Guide Us
I don’t want get involved in this shia sunni debate b/c at the end of the day, we know what happens. But let me ask you this: are the people you mentioned the only family members of the Messenger of Allah 
? Why do you use Hadhrat for his wives? Why don’t you call them Ahle Salam? Why do you people only single out Hadhrat Fatima 
and her descendants (May Allah be pleased with them and shower His mercy on them)? What about the other daughters of the Messenger of Allah ? O, let me guess, you people don’t believe that he had any other daughters.
Also, who said RA is only for sahabs; do you even know what it means? It could be used for any Muslim. It simply means, May Allah be pleased with him/her. One more thing, the word “ahle” in the daroud applies to all the people who has followed/are following/will be following the deen which Allah Ta’ala revealed to Messenger of Allah .
COULD ANY ONE PLEASE LET ME KNOW, that when say:
ALLAH HUMMA SALEH ALA MOHAMMAD... WA ALA ALEHE MOHAMMAT
Means when it is permisible to send Salam on his Family ..
**(According To Quran, Verse **of purity (Ayat Al-Tathir.
if u havent noticed, salaat and salaam r different things.... :)
although i have no problems in saying imam ali (aleyhi assalam) or even imam umar bin khattab (aleyhi assalam)....
in the attahhiyaat that we read in daily prayers we send salaam on not only the prophet (saw) and his family but on all ibaad-assaleheen....
and 101% sure that the family of the Prophet (saw) r included in those saleheen....
ALLAH FORBID: my dear we are no one to include in Prophet Family:
It is ALLAH who have explaind it in verse: 33:33
Verse 33:33 in the Quran is the verse of purification. The Ahlel-Bayt namely Ali, Fatima, Hassan, Hussein and the infallible imams including imam mahdi-were made infallible by verse 33:33 in which Allah says " And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, you Ahlal-Bayt (people of the house) and to make you pure and spotless. " (33:33) The prophet placed a cloak beneath all four of these people and then made them infallible by this verse in the Quran.
The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF), from the time the revelation of “Verily Allah intends to… (the last part of Verse 33:33)” and for six (6) months thereafter, stood by the door of the House of Fatimah and said: “Time for Prayer Ahlul-Bayt; No doubt! Allah wished to remove all abomination from you and make you pure and spotless.”
Sunni references:
Abu al-Hamra narrated: "The Messenger of God continued eight (8) months in Medina, coming to the door of Ali at every morning prayer, putting his two hands on the two sides of the door and exclaiming : “Assalat! Assalat! (prayer! prayer!) Certainly God ward off all uncleanness from you, O Members of the House of Muhammad, and to make you pure and spotless.”
Sunni references:
if u havent noticed, salaat and salaam r different things.... :)
although i have no problems in saying imam ali (aleyhi assalam) or even imam umar bin khattab (aleyhi assalam).... in the attahhiyaat that we read in daily prayers we send salaam on not only the prophet (saw) and his family but on all ibaad-assaleheen.... and 101% sure that the family of the Prophet (saw) r included in those saleheen....
Dear Brother:
You cannot add Omer in Salam with Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) and his family, becuase he is not a family member .
For more Information please read Quran, and some athentic books, where salam is reseved only for Prophets and his family,
As some one ask from Prophet Mohammad(pbuh) about salam,
that wat is the right way to send salam on you,,, Prophet Mohammad(pbuh) asnwered: As you send on Ibrahim(as) and Alehe Ibrahim(as)
Please not : do not blindly say that we are also alehe Ibrahim(as): Becuase for more information you need to see Alehe Ibrahim,(as)where this topics is mentioned in Quran.
May ALLAH guide us
Re: ALEHE SALAM ???
I can go ahead and debunk all of your claims but just answer my simple question: Aren’t the wives of the Messenger of Allah part of his family? Why or why not?
Salam Alikum My Dear Brother:
I am sorry to disappoint you to say, that Wives are not included in Prophet Family: reas is given with Strong Evidence in Quran:
SOME REF: and later you answer: majority of (Sunni) commentators, the saying of Allah :“Verily Allah intends to … (the last sentence of the verse 33:33)” was revealed for Ali, Fatimah, al-Hasan, and al-Husain, because of the usage of masculine gender in the word “Ankum” and after that.
The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF), from the time the revelation of “Verily Allah intends to… (the last part of Verse 33:33)” and for six (6) months thereafter, stood by the door of the House of Fatimah and said: “Time for Prayer Ahlul-Bayt; No doubt! Allah wished to remove all abomination from you and make you pure and spotless.”
Sunni references:
House of Abraham (AS)
Quran testifies that Sarah, the wife of Prophet Abraham (AS), was blessed by angels and was given the glad tiding that she will give birth to two prophets of God: 11:71 And his wife, standing by, laughed when We gave her good tidings (of the birth) of Isaac, and, after Isaac, of Jacob.
11:72 She said: “Alas for me! Shall I bear a child when I am an old woman and my husband now is an old man? That would indeed be a strange thing!”
11:73 The (angles) said: Do You wonder at Allah’s decree? The grace of Allah and His blessings be upon you, O People of the House! He is indeed worthy of all praise full of all glory!"
Since in the mercy and the bounty of God offered in the above verse to the People of the House of Abraham, it has been a tendency of some Sunni commentators and their anxiety to find some argument for their counting the wives of the Holy Prophet (PBUH&HF) in the terms Ahlul-Bayt. They argue that since Sarah the wife of Abraham is included in the term Ahlul-Bayt mentioned in the above verse, then all the wives of the Prophet (PBUH&HF) are included in the verse 33:33 relating to the purity and the excellence of the Ahlul-Bayt of Prophet Muhammad.
However, these commentators intentionally or otherwise ignore the significance of the address by the Angels. If Sarah, the wife of Abraham, is included in the term Ahlul-Bayt used in the above verse, it is not because she was the wife of Abraham, but because she was going to be the MOTHER of two prophets (Isaac and Jacob). She was mentioned by angles in the above verse as a member of Ahlul-Bayt, AFTER she RECEIVED the glad tiding that she is pregnant of Prophet Isaac (AS).
The matrimonial relation between and a man and a woman is only circumstantial and can be given up at any moment. She could never be a permanent partner to any husband to be included in the heavenly address who are endowed with the unique and heavenly excellence UNLESS she brings a son who becomes a Prophet or an Imam. Thus if we consider Sarah as a member of the House, it would be only because she would be the mother of Isaac, and not being the wife of Abraham. The verses 11:71-73 quoted above show that Sarah was called among Ahlul-Bayt after she got to know that she is having
Isaac (AS).
House of Imran (AS)
Likewise, Quran mentions the mother of Moses among the Ahlul-Bayt of Imran. Again, as we can see in the following verses, the emphasis here is the MOTHER of Moses and not the wife of Imran: 28:12 And We ordained that he refuse to seek any foster mother before so she said: Shall I point out to you a household who will take care of him for you, and will be kind to him?
28:13 So We restored him to his mother that she might be comforted and not grieve, and that she might know that the promise of Allah is true. But most of them know not.
The mother of Moses is termed as Ahlul-Bayt, not for being the wife of Imran, but for being the mother of Moses, otherwise the wives who are subject to divorce and being substituted with women better than them (Quran 66:5) can’t be considered as Ahlul-Bayt as pointed out by Zaid Ibn Arqam as well. This is illustrated with the wife of Noah and Lot, though they were the wives of such great servants of God, they were not considered Ahlul- Bayt. They perished along with the rest of community.
Let’s remember what Zaid Ibn Arqam said: “Ahlul-Bayt (household) of the Prophet are his lineage and his descendants (those who come from his blood) for whom the acceptance of charity (Zakat) is prohibited.”
The wife of Imran was in the lineage of the Moses, so was the wife of Abraham who was in the lineage of Isaac and Jacob. Similarly, if Fatimah (AS) is among the Ahlul-Bayt Prophet of Islam, it is because not only she was the daughter of the Prophet (PBUH&HF), but also she was the mother of two Imams.
House of Noah (AS)
And Noah Cried unto his Lord and said: “My Lord! Verily my son is of my family; and verily Your promise is true, and You are the most just of the judges.”
He (Allah) said: “O Noah! Verily he is not of your family; Verily he is (of) conduct other than the righteous; Therefore do not ask what you have no knowledge about; Verily I advice you not to be of the ignorant ones.” (Quran 11:45-46)
Abul Ala Maududi wrote in his commentary of the above verse that:
“If a part of the body of a person becomes rotten and the surgeon decides to cut it off, he will not comply with the request of the patient, who says ‘Do not cut because it is a part of my body’. The surgeon will reply, ‘It is no longer a part of your body because it is rotten.’ Likewise when a righteous father is told that his son is a worthless act, it means to imply that the efforts that you made to bring him up as a good son have gone waste for the work is spoilt and ended in utter failure.”
Sunni reference:
Prophet Noah (AS) was pleading for his own son and the reply was that the lad was not worthy of being his son. It is made crystal clear by this verse that though one might be of the same blood and flesh, born through the same parents, but if the issue doesn’t possess the good qualities of the parents then he or she is not of his parents’ stock (as said in the second verse). Noah had three other sons, Aam, Sam and Yafas who were believers and who with their wives entered the Ark and were saved and Kanan was Noah’s son by his OTHER wife who was a disbeliever and perished along with her son.
It can be concluded that if any one does not hold the goodness of the correct faith in Allah, be he the son of the Apostle, he is not to be of the stock of his parentage; His very birth through his own parents is denied to him, even the right to be on God’s earth is withdrawn from him, and he is to be destroyed. Thus, even one is to be the son of a prophet of Allah, the lack of righteousness gets him disowned from the progeny (Itrat) of the apostolic family. It is for this reason that the term Ahlul-Bayt is restricted to the deserving members of the House of the Prophet and doesn’t cover all of those who are born from his blood. Ahlul-Bayt are only the individuals among Prophet’s descendants who also had close affinity in character and utmost spiritual attainment with Prophet (PBUH&HF).
It is narrated in Sahih Muslim as well as many other sources that:
[INDENT]Someday (after his last pilgrimage) the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) stood to give us a speech beside a pond which is known as Khum (Ghadir Khum) which is located between Mecca and Medina. Then he praised Allah and reminded Him, and then said: “O’ people! Behold! It seems the time approached when I shall be called away (by Allah) and I shall answer that call. Behold! I am leaving for you two precious things. First of them is the book of Allah in which there is light and guidance… The other one is my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt. (three times).”
Sunni Reference:
TRADITION OF CLOAK
When the Messenger of Allah noticed that a blessing from Allah was to descent, he told Safiyya (one of his wives): “Call for me! Call for me!” Safiyya said: “Call who, O the Messenger of Allah?” He said: “Call for me my Ahlul-Bayt who are Ali, Fatimah, al-Hasan, and al-Husain.” Thus we sent for them and they came to him. Then the Prophet (PBUH&HF) spread his cloak over them, and raised his hand (toward sky) saying: “O Allah! These are my family (Aalee), so bless Muhammad and the family (Aal) of Muhammad.” And Allah, to whom belong Might and Majesty, revealed: “Verily Allah intends to keep off from you every kind of uncleanness O’ People of the House (Ahlul-Bayt), and purify you a thorough purification (Quran, the last sentence of Verse 33:33)”.
Sunni references:
MY DEAR THERE ARE LOADS OF VERSE WHERE ALLAH ALMIGHT HAS CHANGE SUBJECT DURING REVEALING OF QURAN. SIMILARLY , ALLAH IS THREATNING THE WIVES OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (pbuh) during arguments among them, in early part of verse 33:33
IF YOU want to read similar verse you are most welcome.
MAY ALLAH GUIDE ALL OF US
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