Alcohol consumption in Pakistan: Don't mix sin with crime

[psyah]

Re: Alcohol consumption in Pakistan: Don’t mix sin with crime

@diwana

Not quoting you, but you liked and agreed with Bella on the issue of contraception and did not participate in a thread I opened questioning the view which you brought up.

As for racism: You did show that if a person sees you intermingling with another race of choice, the person will start liking you, regardless you yourself treated the person nicely. I said the girl in your example was still a racist. And one does not have to change the ways for ANYONE to be liked, since that means eventually the person will have to do more in a society to be liked, like many people do.

Sorry, I have limited time. Will post your statements on other issues as well as above to show why I said what I said.

Peace till then.

Peace diwana

A lot can be lost in communication … I hope you actually try to understand the position I am coming from rather than choosing to resort to word pasting and guessing what I am saying. I understand you may actually disagree with what I say … but I fear that much of it might actually be misunderstanding rather than disagreement. I have no real energy or desire to go defensive about myself from an accusation that I think is nothing about what I represent.

Just to make it easy about why I think you misunderstand me - I said something about alcohol both yourself and Southie thought that I was advocating alcohol consumption. Possibly could not be more off the mark.

Before I get in to another debate I will just agree with you. I come here now for certain points of view but no longer - extended debates … my studies get in the way.

A man on his death bed was speaking to a Shaykh in America … and he regretted arguing with everyone. It was his habit to argue with everyone … for the sake of arguing. I hope I don’t become like that.

[picoico]

Re: Alcohol consumption in Pakistan: Don’t mix sin with crime

@X2

It’s like for many it’s a desi version of miami vice… Maulvi Vice. It’s focused too much on music, Valentine’s Day, coeducation, jeans … Instead of inequality, corruption, nepotism, cheating and bribes, fraud and deceit, and even oppression, xenophobia, racism and hate…

Would love to see more on these topics but either there is an issue with capacity, or competency or capability. Other c words come to mind but three are enough

Pick on the mullah if you must…but it’s across the board, I’m afraid…

Should I point out the obvious in the ease in which one can tackle one set of problems, while the innate difficulty in rooting out the other…I don’t think doing real work is in the Pakistani DNA…

[kakaballi]

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@Southie

There are so many imperfections in every society. That doesn’t mean we don’t start somewhere. …

Yes, please. We need to regulate guns and other weapons MUCH MORE urgently. We need to regulate lethal drugs like heroin. We need to regulate pharma industry selling death in the name of health.

Alcohol should be least of our worries.

[X2]

@diwana

And so can be mine. Since I am bashful, I will not say mine is true. I will leave that up to the reader.

Let’s ignore your word of clowns for the one who possesses religious knowledge but not in your personal view…

No please don’t ignore my word of clown for one who supposedly possesses religious knowledgebut his words and statements are ass backward, ignorant, etc. Obviously it’s my personal view, but it being my personal view does not excuse or give cover for the lameness some of these guys demonstrate.

Clown is actually too polite a word for jackasses like that. Whether it’s the assorted saudi idiots with their techniques to establish workplace mehram status or the ones from our own council or foul neandrathals like anjem chodhry. The fact that they can utter a few phrases and sat in some class does not protect them from criticism of their jack assery and ass hattary.

But that’s a diff topic so we can discuss it elsewhere. Alcohol topic ki toh bawl ki Khaal nikal Di hai. And I don’t have time to waste on it anymore.

Religiously inclined should not give a free pass to their rock stars

[X2]

@picoico

@X2

It’s like for many it’s a desi version of miami vice… Maulvi Vice. It’s focused too much on music, Valentine’s Day, coeducation, jeans … Instead of inequality, corruption, nepotism, cheating and bribes, fraud and deceit, and even oppression, xenophobia, racism and hate…

Would love to see more on these topics but either there is an issue with capacity, or competency or capability. Other c words come to mind but three are enough

Pick on the mullah if you must…but it’s across the board, I’m afraid…

Should I point out the obvious in the ease in which one can tackle one set of problems, while the innate difficulty in rooting out the other…I don’t think doing real work is in the Pakistani DNA…

Only picked on mullah because of the topic, but the trend is broader you are right and applies broadly.

Focus on a few high profile, low prevalence topics and then declaring victory is easy… We only have 1/100 of drink drive accidents, or alcohol related brawls. I think even if it was legal you will not see ppl lined up to drink. Those who will, do now anyways.

But yes, the voices often have been on about these low impact, low frequency, low prevalence things.

It has changed a bit with the rise in extremist actions, whether it was sipah sahaba type sectarian violence or these new guys. To a big part there is not active opposition in words to these guys let alone action. But that’s second hand info for me. Maybe mosques in Pakistan are criticizing ISIS, jaesh, lashkar, taleban in friday khutbas, religious organization passing fliers against them, holding rallies against thrn or raising funds for soldiers families etc. I don’t know.

[Southie]

Re: Alcohol consumption in Pakistan: Don’t mix sin with crime

@kakaballi

Sorry, wrong conclusion. If the consumption would remain negligible, why bother with any change? Lets keep the things the way they have been working. Why fix something that is not broken?

Based on historical data of alcohol consumption in India’s “wet states” v/s Pakistan in recent history, prohibition has worked.

Towards An Alcohol-Free Kerala? — Johnson’s Blog

We have established that alcohol consumption has doubled since prohibition started. So to be conservative, we have established that alcohol consumption has not decreased since prohibition started. Ergo prohibition not necessary.

What is broken is loss of personal freedom. If that is not important, I agree with you that prohibition need not be lifted.

[Southie]

Re: Alcohol consumption in Pakistan: Don’t mix sin with crime

@kakaballi

Yes, please. We need to regulate guns and other weapons MUCH MORE urgently. We need to regulate lethal drugs like heroin. We need to regulate pharma industry selling death in the name of health.

Alcohol should be least of our worries.

Again. People should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. When govt starts chipping away at personal liberty, results are not good.

Having said that, I agree with ur overall thesis - why fix something that has worked since 1977. What i wrestle with is - prior to 1977, lack of prohibition also worked.