Al Qaeda in syria- responsible for the houla massacre

German intelligence: al-Qaeda all over Syria
By John Rosenthal

German intelligence estimates that “around 90” terror attacks that “can be attributed to organizations that are close to al-Qaeda or jihadist groups” were carried out in Syria between the end of December and the beginning of July, as reported by the German daily Die Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ). This was revealed by the German government in a response to a parliamentary question.

In response to the same question, the German government admitted that it had received several reports from the German foreign intelligence service, the BND, on the May 25 massacre in the Syrian town of Houla. But it noted that the content of these reports was to remain classified “by reason of national interest”.

Like many other Western governments, Germany expelled Syria’s ambassador in the immediate aftermath of the massacre, holding the Syrian government responsible for the violence.

Meanwhile, at least three major German newspapers - Die Welt, the FAZ, and the mass-market tabloid Bild - have published reports attributing responsibility for the massacre to anti-government rebel forces or treating this as the most probable scenario.

Writing in Bild, longtime German war correspondent Jurgen Todenhofer accused the rebels of “deliberately killing civilians and then presenting them as victims of the government”. He described this “massacre-marketing strategy” as being “among the most disgusting things that I have ever experienced in an armed conflict”. Todenhofer had recently been to Damascus, where he interviewed Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for Germany’s ARD public television.

Wring in Die Welt, Alfred Hackensberger noted that Taldo, the sub-district of Houla where the massacre occurred, has been under rebel control since December 2011 and is in an open plain, making it unlikely that “hundreds of soldiers and Assad supporters” could have entered the village to commit the massacre. (An abridged version of Hackenberger’s report also appeared in Die Berliner Morgenpost.) Hackensberger visited Houla to conduct investigations for his report.

He also interviewed an alleged eyewitness - identified simply by the pseudonym “Jibril” - at the Saint James Monastery in Qara, Syria. In contrast to an earlier report in the FAZ, which had claimed that the victims were largely Shi’ites and Alawis, Jibril told Hackensberger that all of the victims were Sunnis “like everybody here”. By his account, they were killed for refusing to support the rebellion. Jibril added that “a lot of people in Houla know what really happened” but would not say so out of fear for their lives. “Whoever says something,” he explained, “can only repeat the rebels’ version. Anything else is certain death.”

While traveling in the region of Homs, Hackensberger heard similar storiesabout the conduct of the rebels. One - now former - resident of the city of Qusayr told him that not only were Christians like himself expelled from the town, but that anyone who refused to enroll their children in the Free Syrian Army had been shot.

Hackensberger’s source held foreign Islamists responsible for the atrocities. “I have seen them with my own eyes,” he said, “Pakistanis, Libyans, Tunisians and also Lebanese. They call Osama bin Laden their sheikh.”

A Sunni resident of Homs told Hackensberger that he had witnessed how an armed group stopped a bus: “The passengers were divided into two groups: on the one side, Sunnis; on the other, Alawis.” According to Hackenberger’s source, the insurgents then proceeded to decapitate the nine Alawi passengers.

That the German government would cite national interest in refusing to disclose its information concerning the circumstances of the Houla massacre is particularly notable in light of Germany’s support for the rebellion and its political arm, the Syrian National Council (SNC).

While France, the United Kingdom, and the United States have figured as the most visible Western powers supporting the rebellion, Germany has been quietly playing a major role behind the scenes. According to a new report in the FAZ, the German foreign office is working with representatives of the Syrian opposition to develop “concrete plans” for a “political transition” in Syria following the fall of Assad.

John Rosenthal is a journalist who specializes on European politics and transatlantic security issues. His website is Transatlantic Intelligencer

(Copyright 2012 John Rosenthal.)

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There is a concerted effort by certain countries to paint a specific image of syria that doesn’t wholly exist. We cannot be blinded by the fact that saudi and qatar are funding the al- qaeda rebels, the same salafis that are causing havoc around the world, to cause bloodshed and mayhem in syria.

The western intelligence are also involved and covertly supporting these rebels… Via intelligence, funding and training. Their media is on board portraying one side and attributing falesly. Lazy journalism at its best.

So they fight them in afghanistan and pakistan and the rest of the world; only to support them in Syria…the salafis will then come back to bite them on the rear in the near future.

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Enemy of my enemy is my friend :)

The great amreekan phoren policy....

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One thing that experts doubted for a very long time was that if Al Qaeda and the other petro-dollar funded salafi jihadi armies are actually American proxies. That could not become any clearer now. It is just the question if the Muslims have the will and power to stand up to the American plans in the region. I highly doubt they can.

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Tariq Ali on Syria

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I dont think there is any Alqaeda there but what we have is a minority dictator brutally murdering his own people with the support of Iran, just like the Iranian regime murdered thousands when people came out on streets against them. We should be supporting the majority every where be it Bahrain, Saudi, Iran or Syria not play to our religious sects. More power to the people I say.

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^Ehsan, quite right that Assad is a brutal dictator and he has suppressed Syrians further when they came out on streets d3manding rights and reforms but unfortunately the March 2011 movement has been hijacked by Saudi-Qatari sponsored terrorist groups. Have you followed some of the latest stories about the antics of the rebels such as them cutting off heads on the Iraq-Syria borders and raising Al Qaeda flags on the post? they even looted Turkish trucks on the Turkish-Syria border despite Turkey's risky policy of aiding them! (rationale of which questioned even by Turkey's foreign minister Davotoglu himself) Not surprisingly, the original democratic movement and its leadership has distanced itself from the rebels who are as oppressive and brutal as Assad's army and many of them aren't even Syrians.

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so the Syrian intelligence that kept on flooding Iraq with salafi jihadists is now facing the wrath of the devil themselves......roosters coming home to roost....and same will happen to Turkey too as the news from their border with Syria suggesting that Kurdish guerrillas of PKK with the held of Syrian regime getting ready for a showdown with the Turks.....Muslim countries and their regimes are hypocritical to the maximum degree......

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Actually Al Qaeda is present, at least according to my friends working in Syria and Al Jazeera and other media.

Many believe that line, because that is exactly the one sided story we hear. The reality is not as black and white. Yes assad is a dictator and the peaceful protesters against him were legit. But the interference by saudi and qatar, means armed syrian salafis have risen and alqaeda have joined them. It is they who have made this a sectarian issues, with Anti alawite and shia slogans. But they're main beef is with iran and its allies, and syria is the main link. On this issue, they are in bed with israel and its allies. There is a reason israel recently called saudi its last ally in the region against iran.

The west have admitted to this including hague, but due to their 'interests' they've largely kept mum.

If you now ask those unarmed protesters if an armed rebellion is what they had wanted, they will tell you straight of, they wanted an egypt or tunisia as opposed to a libya.

Being ruled by salafis who were groomed in saudi ( check adnan aroor), was the last thing on their mind, not least because democracy is not even in their vocabulary. Christians, shia and alawites have already been asked to leave their homes on the point of death.

The rebels are begging for a nato intervention, hence why they are doing their utmost to undermine the kofi annan plan.

Iran on the other hand has fully supported the kofi annan peace plan, and has consistantly encouraged assad to stick to it. He on the other hand is under seige by a heavily funded militia, so this one sided peace plan can only go so far. And that is basically what kofi anan says and why russia vetoed the resolutions, because of the one sided myopic view of the west. There can only be progress until both want it and that is definately not happening.

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So can an oppressive person or regime be sided with because he is up against another oppressor?

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Many believe that line because there is truth in it. If the brutal murderer that Assad is had taken heed when peaceful protests were taking place all this would not have happened. But with the backing of regimes like Russia and Iran he turned on his own people and started butchering them. People had no choice but to take help from any quarter. Had Assad realised that Syria is not his or Alawites jagir than a solution would have come out. Fault here is Assad, Iran and Russia. Just like in Bahrain it is Saudi and the ugly rulers there killing people, Asad is doing it here. One day all these despots will go. That will be the day when Muslims will be able to truly celebrate. Till than we will have Asads, Husseins of jordan the Al Sauds of Saudi and the rest of the despots in Middle East to deal with. Support the people not the murderers.

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So does that mean the Saudis, and Qataris see Shias as a bigger enemy, more so than the Jews?

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Politics control religion and not the other way around......that is consistent throughout the history and holds true for all the religions....... Prophets like Ibrahim, Musa, Isa, Mohammad peace b upon them all challenged the political giants of their time and that is why they were chased, boycotted, imprisioned, and oppressed every way by those whose false power and injustices they objected to.......for these kings and dictators of today too, religion is just a garb to fool the people whom they already make sure to keep ignorant via third class education system and propoganda methods.......do u think they care about who is a Shia or who is Sunni?.....they would kill their own family members if they came in their way......how many examples do you want to see from the history of this?

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If the Saudis do not care about sectarianism then why did they send in troops to protect the Sunni rulers in Bahrain against the majority but are doing the opposite in Syria?

In a word yes. Saudis can barely tolerate shias, esp since iran growing influence in the region. There are daily protests in the eastern region of saudi. The majority there are shias and Its an oil rich area, but the shias living there are one of the poorest in the country. Those protesting are being killed or imprisoned and tortured. But the protests are growing.

As for isreal; It was the king abdul aziz who gave explicit permission for palestine to be given to zionists. So he is their daddy in other words.

Do you think the salafis that replace assad will be any better? Will the syrians truly be celebrating? After seeing their ideology, I somehow dont think so.

There are so many hands in the syrian pie, that russia and iran are the least of our worries. But if syria explodes, the whole of the region will go down with it.

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Dont forget that they also helped the Shia president of Yemen Mr. Ali Abdullah Saleh.... and helped topple Sunni ruler of Libya Col. Muammer Qaddafi.

The future of Saud family lies in the hands of its imperial masters and that is why you will see them at every opportunity aligned with the objectives of their masters...... Saudi Arabia invaded Bahrain to protect the highly despised Al Khalifas because they are US clients and host the massive American 5th fleet that "looks after" the Persian Gulf, Red Sea, Arabian Sea, and areas up to African coasts for the big daddy ...... Should the voice of people of reflected through a democratic regime them US can kiss goodbye to those perks....... Saudi Arabia is against Syrian Baathi regime because the later has had its chips in the Iranian camp from the past 4 decades or so to the extent that they opposed their own Arab kinsfolk and stood with Iran in that 8 year old battle cheerled by everybody with an attempt to crush the revolutionary Iran......

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With all due respect it seems the same old boogey man the US is being blamed for it all. I am sure they do play a part in it, especially with supplying weapons but do not think they are the puppet masters in this matter.

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Why do the Saudis care that the Syrians are so close to the Irani regime, it seems sectarian but maybe you can explain how it is not.

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to understand the authority that the US holds over the kingdom of Sauds u shud study the background of the family of Saud who hailed frm a small bedouin town called Dariyah....and the then superpower of Britain handpicking them and installing the Abdul Aziz bin Saud at expense of the Ottomans and Sharif Hussein of Mecca.....really fascinating tale........obviously not everything can be written here but suffice to say tht the only country in the world that is named after a single family owes its survival to outsiders....when Saddam's men invaded Kuwait and Saudis were threatened then the 7th largest spender on military trusted not yheir men but the American boots to b stationed on the bordrrs in case Saddam continued adventuring....

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Not saying tht sectarianism doesnt play part......it has its place in mix of things but even if u knew nothing abt religion u cud still be an expert on Middle East.....remember John McCain?.....he was US presedential candidate yet publicly embarrassed himself when failed to know difference between Shia and Sunni!
The most recent games in ME r being played between two blocks......one US client and other against US projects for the region.....