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at minimum it was the PPP regime that gave the helping hand to Taleban which allowed taleban to get a strong foothold in afghanistan and emerge as a powerful controlling force.
BB has admitted her government was wrong to support/promote the Taliban. She only tends to do that when people point out her double standards, in the fact that her government took part in the creation in the Taliban, and now she condemns the same movement.
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BB has admitted her government was wrong to support/promote the Taliban. She only tends to do that when people point out her double standards, in the fact that her government took part in the creation in the Taliban, and now she condemns the same movement.
Even more reason for the squeaky clean Mush not to join hands with such evil.
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Sure thing
2) Wasn’t a Minister when the Taliban were formed :halo:
you are welcome 
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Aitzaz created Taliban. 
OK lets list Mush’s accomplishments:
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Sorry when he accomplishes anything please fill the list above. His biggest achievement to date was the massacre of 12 May.
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Aitzaz is a good lawyer, lets just keep him to that.
The problem is that we havesuch dearth of leadership that we pin hopes on anyone who shows some potential. Few years ago people thought Mushy will be great and now all over Pakistan people are waiting, "Kab Jaan chorey Ga"
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Bhutto unhappy with aides questioning talks with Musharraf
Former prime minister Benazir Bhutto is displeased with some close aides, including the now hugely popular Aitzaz Ahsan of her Pakistan Peoples Party, who strongly disapproved of her recent meeting with President General Pervez Musharraf in Abu Dhabi. “In the past many ‘big leaders’ pushed themselves into political wilderness after they left the PPP,” a party source close to Bhutto was yesterday quoted by news reports as saying. “We had been facing defections of leaders, who had thought that they would remain politically relevant without the PPP,” the source that did not want to be identified said. He cited the names of Mustafa Khar, Mustafa Jatoi and some others in support of his argument. The slogan “Khar sada sher hay baqi haer phair hay” used to be chanted but everybody knows what happened to this “lion” in the political field after he left the party, the source said. He said if Aitzaz wanted to form his own party nobody from the PPP would stop him adding that the lawyer who successfully fought the case of reinstatement of the chief justice Iftikhar Mohamed Chaudhry has changed his “mind”.
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Yes He comes n the Hope is gone !
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Is Aitzaz adopting the “lota” position?
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=9811
**Aitzaz meets Sharifs, ignores party leader, meeting **
Political circles in London were surprised to note that instead of attending a very important party meeting being chaired by Benazir Bhutto at the residence of Rehman Malik hardly a few hundred yards away, the top lawyer of the chief justice of Pakistan in the presidential reference case and senior PPP leader, Aitzaz Ahsan, met Nawaz Sharif and Shahbaz Sharif on Monday over lunch. It is also significant that Aitzaz has not yet met Benazir since he arrived here. The PPP meeting was called in the wake of Nawaz Sharif’s reported plan to end his exile and return to Pakistan early next month. It was attended by top party leaders, including Dr Safdar Abbasi, Shah Mahmood Qureshi and Qaim Ali Shah. The agenda was to consider important legal and constitutional aspects of cases against Benazir Bhutto so that if the situation demanded, the Supreme Court could be moved to facilitate her return. Moreover, it was also to decide a date for the return of Benazir to Pakistan. The meeting took place against the backdrop of a mild “war of words” going on between Benazir and Nawaz Sharif. Both sides had developed serious differences at the All Parties Conference held in London last month after Benazir refused to sign a declaration that said all the opposition parties would resign from parliament in case General Pervez Musharraf decided to get himself re-elected from the current assemblies. These differences still persist and have rather aggravated. Nadir Chaudhry, the spokesman for Nawaz Sharif, confirmed to The News that Atizaz Ahsan met the Sharif brothers and they had lunch together. Nadir said Aitzaz has an old relationship with both the brothers and they respect him for his personal qualities and professional capabilities. He said Aitzaz had been meeting the Sharif brothers in the past too. It is significant to note that Aitzaz had come close to the Sharif brothers when they were in jail in the military rule of Gen Musharraf. They had appointed Aitzaz as their lawyer to defend them in some cases. Aitzaz had accepted the offer to become their lawyer after getting permission from Benazir. However, the fact remains that while in London Aitzaz met Nawaz and Shahbaz before meeting his own party leader, Benazir. This will not only raise many eyebrows but is bound to create confusion in the party rank and file. Political observers wondered what would be the reaction of Benazir when she learnt about Aitzaz’s meeting with the Sharif brothers.
http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/aug-2007/28/index7.php
Aitzaz meets Nawaz
In a significant development, senior PPP leader Ch. Aitzaz Ahsan called on PML (N) Chief Mian Nawaz Sharif in London on Monday, and discussed with him the current political situation in the country. The meeting, which lasted for two hours, was also attended by Mian Shahbaz Sharif and some other PML (N) leaders. As per sources, Sharif brothers also had a closed-door meeting with Ch Aitzaz to seek his legal opinion on matters relating to their return to the country and the possible difficulties that may arise on their arrival.
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I would like to see him as president replacing Mushrraf. He is very well educated, honest & has impeccable integrity, unlike Mushrraf and his lotas buying degrees from online paper mills....
Kia Musharraf chaprasi sy sidha cheif of army staff bana tha? you don't know what you are chatting about!!!! You just got hate inside you.
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SOMETHING is eating Aitzaz Ahsan. He is a new star, a hero of a trampled-upon democracy—the most popular man in Pakistan, some say. With an election looming, Mr Ahsan, a lawyer and member of the opposition Pakistan People’s Party (PPP), should be pitching for greatness. So why, sitting in his charmingly chaotic chambers in Lahore, amid stacks of paper smelling faintly of mildew in the monsoon air, does Mr Ahsan look so glum?
First, some background. Mr Ahsan acted for Pakistan’s chief justice, Iftikhar Chaudhry, in a legal stand-off with General Pervez Musharraf that may have changed Pakistani history. In March General Musharraf tried to sack Mr Chaudhry. It seems he wanted a pliable top judge, which Mr Chaudhry, a vain and stubborn man, was not. But, in an act of civilian defiance previously unknown in Pakistan, Mr Chaudhry refused to go.
Cheering up slightly, Mr Ahsan proffers, unrequested, a few photographs of the scenes that ensued. After filing a challenge to his marching orders in the Supreme Court, Mr Chaudhry went on a grand tour. That is, he accepted invitations to address various of the country’s bar associations. For this was not—you understand—a political protest.
Nonetheless, Mr Ahsan made sure that Mr Chaudhry visited, on the same day, every bar association to be found along Pakistan’s main roads. In a twenty-hour crawl from Islamabad to Lahore—ostensibly to address bar associations en route – over 100,000 people turned out to cheer Mr Chaudhry.
Mr Ahsan displays photographs of that day. The chief justice—or “CJ”, as Pakistanis call him—is barely visible behind a wind-screen strewn with pink rose-petals. A few lawyers, in their funereal uniform of black jacket, black tie and white shirt, dance upon his car’s bonnet. A throng of thousands presses in from the sides, waving Pakistani flags, PPP flags, the flags of all Pakistan’s put-upon political parties.
Mr Ahsan suffered that day. He says he lost 8 pounds (3.5 kg) in sweat, after the car’s air-conditioner became choked with petals. Yet he looks well on it—in a chiselled photo of himself superimposed upon another of the flag-waving throng, using a dreamscape technique popular in Communist regimes and Bollywood.
The photo shows Mr Ahsan microphone in hand, denouncing General Musharraf’s rule. And indeed, it was he who took the CJ’s battle to the masses. Mr Chaudhry, his lawyer concedes, is not much of a public speaker. Mr Ahsan is. And for this reason alone, no one won richer congratulations than he last month when the CJ was reinstated by his peers. So why the long face, Mr Ahsan?
For one, rather like Maximus Decimus Meridius (Russell Crowe) in the film Gladiator, Mr Ahsan may have made himself a little too popular for his caesar’s liking. His caesar is Benazir Bhutto, the PPP’s leader, a former prime minister and the exiled daughter of the party’s martyred former leader, Zulfiqar Ali.
Well, that is the conjecture, widely-believed in Pakistan. What is certain, however, is that even as Mr Ahsan was denouncing the “dictatorship” of General Musharraf, Ms Bhutto was negotiating a power-sharing deal with him.
Here is a glory of Pakistani politics. Even during two stints at the helm of Pakistan, Ms Bhutto, the leader of Pakistan’s biggest and most liberal party, was willing to co-operate with the generals who man its guns. Now marooned, a fugitive in Dubai for almost a decade, she has looked ready to compromise again—if General Musharraf would only let her clamber back on-board.
America and Britain, important allies of the general, like the look of this accord. They want General Musharraf to remain in charge, at a time of Islamist strife in Pakistan. But they also want him to have more plausibly democratic and liberal support. That is to say, Ms Bhutto.
And here is another glory. Ms Bhutto, educated at Harvard and Oxford, sells herself as a die-hard liberal. And no doubt, in her personal beliefs, she is. Yet most liberal—which is to say, Westernised—Pakistanis, who mostly vote PPP, nonetheless grimace to hear her name.
There is nothing liberal about Ms Bhutto’s running of her party, which she lords over like the Sindhi feudal leader that she is. During her eight years of absence from Pakistan, it has fallen into decline. Yet she has refused to countenance handing power to another leader.
Nor did Ms Bhutto’s performance in power do much to inspire confidence. Even enemies of General Musharraf—of whom there are now many in Pakistan—tend not to demur when he accuses her of having looted the country.
Yet the problem for many liberal Pakistanis is the other guy—Nawaz Sharif, Pakistan’s other exiled ex-prime-minister. As leader of the opposition Pakistan Muslim League party (Nawaz), Mr Sharif presided over regimes that were about as corrupt as Ms Bhutto’s, and more vindictive.
On his watch, dissidents were locked up and beaten. At the time that Mr Sharif was removed by General Musharraf in a coup, in 1999, he was trying to introduce sharia law—of which he was to be the final arbiter.
Now both Ms Bhutto and Mr Sharif are contemplating returning to Pakistan. And General Musharraf is looking weaker by the day—not least because of the judgements that the CJ has been dishing out. Last week, for example, he decreed that Mr Sharif was free to return home from exile, though General Musharraf had said he was not.
If Mr Sharif does return—and he says that he will do so within days—Ms Bhutto might quickly follow him. There might then be no deal between herself and General Musharraf. Instead, there will be more showers of pink petals and heady talk of democracy restored. That would be good for Pakistan, most of its inhabitants agree. But Mr Ahsan will not be alone in his discomfort.
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as usual, The News is just sensationalizing things. How convenient for them to rely on “sources” and not even bother to ask Aitezaz for a comment? U’d think that’s the least they could do when they were going to file a story that could have serious repercussions on his political career. A much more balanced view:
http://www.dawn.com/2007/08/28/top6.htm
"To a direct question if he is one of those in the PPP who are thinking of leaving the party if a power-sharing pact is signed and sealed between Benazir and Musharraf, he said he could never think of such a thing. “I belong to the PPP, it is my party, we have travelled a long distance through good times and bad times. So why would I be tempted at this juncture to leave the party.”
The PPP MNA, who is here to attend the party CEC’s meeting, will be delivering a lecture at the London School of Economics on Tuesday."
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aitzaz ahsan says he is a pucca member of ppp - a party which has appointed benazir as chairperson for life which is still tolerable when you consider the role played by a certain asif ali zardari within ppp. as for ppp’s human rights record, lets see what amnesty internation had to say about it:
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGASA330011996?open&of=ENG-381
(use cache if link is inoperative)
“Amnesty International continues to urge the Government of Pakistan to adopt measures to stop the large-scale human rights violations which are regularly reported from Karachi, the capital of Sindh. The organization has received reports of hundreds of cases of unlawful detention, torture, deaths in custody, extrajudicial executions and “disappearances”, mainly in Karachi, but also in other cities of the province. According to official figures, some 1,770 people were killed in Karachi in 1995; these include members of different political parties, law enforcement personnel and apolitical residents of Karachi, including women and children…”
i can also paste similar links about human rights record under zab. and yet aitzaz says he is a member of this party for life. says a lot about this man doesnt it?
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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\08\29\story_29-8-2007_pg1_5
‘PPP will pay a high cost for the deal’ - Aitzaz Ahsan
Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) member of the National Assembly Chaudhry Aitzaz Ahsan said that Benazir Bhutto was a “genius politician” who knew that a deal with President General Pervez Musharraf would be a high-cost-venture for her party as the deal would give birth to a severe public criticism. “President Musharraf does not seem to see the year-end and September will be turbulent for him,” Aitzaz told ARY channel in an interview telecast on Tuesday. He said, “Musharraf will try to hold the presidential election within a short schedule of 10 days.” Aitzaz said Bhutto had not discussed with him her Abu Dhabi meeting with Musharraf. He said Musharraf was suffering from “Nawaz-phobia” and that he had gone down to requesting Saudi Arabia to stop the Sharif brothers from returning. **Separately, at a function organised by the Pakistan Society of the London School of Economics, when asked why he had met Nawaz Sharif and not Bhutto while in London, he deflected the question by saying Bhutto was busy in talks with the government emissaries and would meet him in the PPP’s central committee meeting on August 31. ** :hehe:
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reza
ethnic politics, plus the rumours of aitezaz launching an internal revolt are probably the basis here. Maybe he felt that with orchestrating and managing the whole CJ drama, he would be in a powerful enough position to overthrow BB especially with the 2 term limit. Now with a deal being very seriouslt talked about, his plans are vqanishing into thin air and there is impact on his long term political viability as well, thus he is looking at options.
thats my take.
I agree. Also I believe that like all desi politicians fame and power has gone to his head to such an extent that he believes he can even challenge the famed Bhutto hold on the PPP. Of course he will tread very carefully in confronting BB, not wanting to end up like previous challengers who ended up in the political wilderness after challenging her diktats. By meeting Nawaz like this he is sending an indirect message to her that she should stop her wheeling and dealing with the govt, while at the same time publicly declaring his undying loyalty to her. The real problem for BB is that she can't discipline Aitzaz for his behaviour because that would risk splitting her party, and he could end up taking a large chunk of the PPP Punjab with him. BB is boxed in from all quarters, a victim of her own selfish demands i.e. cases against her that she wants dropped, lust for power through the back door, keeping her party workers on side and external factors like Aitzaz.
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I bet the food at Nawaz's place was much better than at BB's :)
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An opening for Aitzaz to strike?
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\08\29\story_29-8-2007_pg1_6
BB keeping partymen in dark over talks
Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) Chairwoman Benazir Bhutto has once again kept senior party leaders in the dark regarding her talks with the special emissary of President Pervez Musharraf. According to party sources, Benazir has been in London since last week meeting various British lawmakers, as well as the president’s emissary Tariq Aziz and the senior military leadership. They said that despite the fact that all senior party leaders had reached London to attend the joint meeting of the Central Executive Committee (CEC) and Federal Council (FC), she had not taken anyone into confidence regarding the talks. A senior party leader who wished to remain unnamed told Daily Times from London that it was up to Benazir to decide what steps should be taken and when, but she should have taken the senior leadership into confidence. Another party leader said Benazir had not told anyone about what transpired in the talks, but that she would never compromise on dictatorship. Party sources said that she would hopefully tell the Chief Election Commission and Federal Council about the talks in the joint meeting.
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Aitzaz is a very intelligent man. Whatever he decides to do he will have a good following.
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aitezaz cant mess with the darya kay magarmacch, unless he finds a diff maggarmach to protect him.
basically his strategy need to change, visions of grandeur will have to be replaced with struggle for political survival and relevancy.
and for that, he needs to go lick some boots and some pumps..(not iftis) he knows it, they know it. basically the humble pie is there, they are showing him the spoon as we speak.
Probably the best thing he can do to his reputation is leave PPP and become an activist rather than politician. Sever all ties from all political parties and concentrate only on practice of Law.
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Aitzaz is a very intelligent man. Whatever he decides to do he will have a good following.
He is too intellignent for BB, and I don't see him staying within the PPP when the deal with Musharraf is put into action. On Geo the other day he was making it clear he would not support the deal, so he will most likely leave the PPP, but what he does after that i.e. join Nawaz's party or form his own party will be interesting.