‘Airblue cockpit had a third person’

‘Airblue cockpit had a third person’

*ISLAMABAD: A team investigating the crash of the ill-fated Airblue jetliner on July 28 in Islamabad has detected the possible presence of a third person in the cockpit. Under normal circumstances, a cockpit is not supposed to have anyone other than the pilot and the co-pilot.

  • “The investigators have reportedly heard the voice of a third person in the cockpit of the Airblue jetliner,” a source close to the investigation told Dawn on condition of anonymity.

The voice has been extracted from the Cockpit Voice Recorder, according to the source, and the investigators were looking into various possibilities and aspects.

The CVR, which is part of the ‘Black Box’, is a flight recorder used to document the audio environment in the cockpit of an aircraft. In order to record and document the audio environment, microphones are installed in the pilots’ headsets and in the roof of the cockpit.

The source said that the data of communication between the control tower and the pilot were available with the investigators. Dawn has also learnt that the pilot and control tower communicated with each other for two minutes and 25 seconds.

Two teams are currently investigating the air crash in which 152 people were killed. One of them is headed by Air Commodore Khawaja Abdul Majeed, president of the Civil Aviation Authority’s Safety Investigation Board. It is focusing on human factors, possibility of technical fault and weather conditions.

The second team, headed by Federal Investigation Agency Director General Zafarullah Khan, has been assigned the task of investigating the possibility of ‘sabotage’.

The source said that investigators were trying to determine why the aircraft drifted five nautical miles away from its original route. “The late pilot was very experienced and professional with thousands of flying hours under his belt; hence the fact that the plane strayed five nautical miles from the original route is also a cause for concern for investigators,” he said. The source said that six investigators were yet to hold a joint meeting.

When asked if there was a third voice in the audio recording of the cockpit, CAA director general Air Commodore (retd) Junaid Amin told Dawn: “I am not aware of the presence of a third person in the cockpit… you cannot judge from the audio whether there was a third person….”

No fault in Airblue aircraft

An analysis of the Black Box of the ill-fated Airblue aircraft which crashed on July 28 has revealed that it had no technical fault at the time of the accident.

In intimation to A-320 operators across the world, Airbus said there was no need to update the procedures or make fresh recommendations after the ED 202 crash because all flight systems were working normally before the aircraft slammed into the fog-covered mountains.

All 152 passengers on board were killed.

The advisory was based on a preliminary analysis of flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder by Bureau d’Enquetes et d’Analyses.

A final outcome of the investigation may take months, but preliminary investigations have set the direction for the probe.

According to aviation experts, the Airbus communication implies that technical malfunctioning has been effectively ruled out as the cause of the incident and it is up to the investigation team constituted by the Civil Aviation Authority to determine if the crash occurred because of pilot error, bad weather, control tower fault or any other factor.

The cockpit voice recording readouts have also revealed that the pilots belatedly realized that they were flying into terrain. The first officer of the flight was heard screaming “Sir, pull up, pull up” moments before the crash.

This revelation has been supported by the findings of local investigators which show that before hitting the mountains the aircraft had climbed from 2,600 feet to 3,100 feet. The aircraft was circling for Runway 12, where it was to attempt visual landing.

Sources privy to the investigations believe the pilot got panicked after realizing that he was flying into the terrain and had turned the autopilot ‘heading bug’ to the left at more than 180 degrees.

The aircraft, experts say, takes the shortest possible route in such situation and instead of turning left moved towards right.

Why did the aircraft go so close to the hills? Several explanations are being dished out, but the most commonly heard of in the aviation circles say that the pilot while circling for Runway 12 was on Flight Management Computer, but instead of following the prescribed route he had probably created a ‘visual circuit using place bearing distance waypoints’ that put him in the wrong place.

Insertion of place bearing distance waypoints is strictly prohibited by aircraft manufacturers because the Airbus FMC does not have a ‘fix page’ capability, wherein a defined distance can be superimposed on the existing route.

The standard instructions are that any route that is not supported by a ground navigational aid should not be used.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/front-page/airblue-cockpit-had-a-third-person-880


Many might have forgot it, but there is still the unsolved mystery of Airblue Plane. I dont know why they don’t let the terminal recordings go public or why they don’t let the blackbox decrypted. Making such assumptions is just something very rough as it is being said in this article.

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Oh okay. So Air Blue aeroplane had no technical fault. That’s good. I am flying with Air Blue always from now on! Whose this 3rd person! :eek:

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So what's a big deal. Third person might be airhostess or someother staff member.

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^^ that's the main thing who was it. Even if it was any air-hostess or some other staff member, what he or she was doing that. It can also be that it wasn't any of them and the plane was hijacked!

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At the time of landing..like 20 something minutes before, air hostesses are supposed to be seated and their seatbelts fastened. what was the air hostess doing inside there at that time? The plane was pretty near to the airport. They should have been seated.

btw air hostess is not politically correct. it is a stewardess.

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errr no...stewardess is not politically correct either... try flight attendant

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I was told in my class in uni that stewardess is politically correct. I guess not. OKAY. Flight attendants are not supposed to be in the cockpit!

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Well, it seems all speculations. The keywords are 'reportedly' and 'condition of anonymity'.

'Anyone' can say 'anything' on 'condition of anonymity'. Does not make it authentic.

It could be that someone (staff member) wanted to check on the status looking outside that they might be off track. Anything is possible.

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Why would anyone like to give instructions to the pilot how to fly when he or she himself has no idea at what level you have to lower the knot.

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^ you're talking as if its been established that there was a third person in the cockpit, as opposed to an anonymous person saying 'reportedly' investigators heard a third voice whereas the CAA director says the opposite, on the record. secondly the article also has anonymous sources saying the following:

Sources privy to the investigations believe the pilot got panicked after realizing that he was flying into the terrain and had turned the autopilot ‘heading bug’ to the left at more than 180 degrees.

Note that these sources dont appear to suggest a role in the crash for the third person at this point, if the third person exists in the first place. so please limit the speculation.

as for why they dont make the crash audio public. terrible idea. as if our media isnt death centered enough, give them screams and explosions to play for 24 hours. not as if that would be convincing to those who believed apriori the plane was hit by a missile or blackwater highjacked the plane and wanted to destroy kahuta. anyone can make an audio recording.

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http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/08/americans-believed-involved-in-pakistan-air-crash-hijacking/

Reportedly it was either CIA employee(s) or Blackwater/Xe employee(s), there are speculations floating around the internet, that this plane was hijacked and both pilots were forced to divert the plane to Kahuta to ultimately crash the plane into nuclear facility, but apparently pilot refused and locked all controls of the plane. These reports are based on speculations rather than facts. I am still trying to find out an authentic source to confirm this hypothesis, so please do not quote me on this one.

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^ Blackwater doesn't do suicide missions... unless they hired some dear taliban to do a job for them.

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I have had already mentioned that these are mere speculations.
BTW how do you know Blackwater/Xe strategy so well?

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^ Hollywood :hypo:

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So you suggest just trash this News and lets watch The Family Guy? What do you exactly want to say? Pilot error? Do you know "exactly" it was pilot error?

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LOL

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Again speculations.

How do we know that this 'third' person was giving instructions?

I said it could be to inquire the matter.

We can say, nothing is impossible (even including the plane fault) AND nothing is for sure.

Keeping minds open is better than believing what comes in to media without any 'authentic proof'. Which by the way is still debatable.

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Well, the final report is out and puts the entire blame on the pilot for shutting up FO, violating procedures and complete failure.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/12/22/airblue-inquiry-finds-captain-uneasy-confused-2.html

**PESHAWAR, Dec 21: Inquiry into the last year’s Airblue plane crash into the Margalla Hills of Islamabad has said the captain showed signs of anxiety, preoccupation, confusion and geographical disorientation in various phases of the flight, especially after commencement of descent.**All 152 passengers and crew on board died in the July 28, 2010 incident.The 38 pages inquiry report submitted to the Peshawar High Court by a team headed by Air Commodore Khwaja A Majeed a day ago said deteriorated weather conditions were a factor in the causation of the crash and that no evidence of any internal or external sabotage, incapacitation of aircraft systems, in-flight fire, bird strike or structural fatigue had been found.According to the report, Airblue crash has been finalised as a case of Controlled Flight into Terrain (CFIT) in which aircrew failed to display superior judgment and professional skills in a self created unsafe environment.“In their pursuit to land in inclement weather, they committed serious violations of procedures and breaches of flying discipline, which put the aircraft in an unsafe condition over dangerous terrain at low altitude.“Captain Pervez Iqbal Chaudhry’s behaviour towards the flying officer was harsh, snobbish and contrary to establish norms. This undesired activity of the captain curbed the initiative of the first officer (FO), created a tense and undesirable environment, and a very conspicuous communication barrier in the cockpit, portraying a classic CRM (Crew Resource Management) failure.”The report said the captain had prior knowledge of the decision by two captains flying ahead of him.“While the captain of PK-356 managed to land in the third attempt, the captain of China Southern decided to divert back to Urumchi (China). The captain of the mishap flight opted to follow PK-356 but with non-standard approach procedure.”The report said though aircrew captain was fit to undertake the flight on the mishap day, his portrayed behaviour and efficiency was observed to have deteriorated with the inclement weather at the Benazir Bhutto International Airport (BBIAP).It further said the chain of events leading to the accident began with the commencement of the flight where the captain was heard to be confusing BBIAP, Islamabad, with HIAP (Jinnah International Airport), Karachi, while planning FMS (Flight Management System) and Khanpur Lake (Wah) with Kahuta area during holding pattern.“This state continued when the captain of the mishap flight violated the prescribed Circling approach Procedure for RWY-12 by descending below Minimum Descent Allowed (i.e 2,300 feet instead of maintaining 2,510 feet) losing visual contact with the airfield, etc,” it said.About the sequence of events, the report said during initial climb, the captain tested the knowledge of the FO and used harsh words and snobbish tone, contrary to the company procedure/norms.“The question/answer sessions, lecturing and advices by the mishap, the captain continued with intervals for about one hour after takeoff. After the intermittent humiliating sessions, the FO generally remained quiet, became under confidence, submissive and subsequently did not challenge the captain for any of his errors, breaches and violations.”It said the plane had ended up in a dangerous situation due to most unprofessional handling by the captain, adding that since the desired initiative of the FO had been curbed and a communication barrier had already been created by the captain the FO failed to intervene, take over the controls to pull the plane out of danger and display the required CRM skills.“At 0441:08 hours, the FO was heard the last time saying to the captain ‘Sir we are going down, sir we are going da….’ The high rate of descend at very low altitude could not be arrested and the aircraft flew into the hill and was completely destroyed. All souls on board sustained fatal injuries due to impact force.”The report said at 0439:58 (70 seconds before the impact), first Enhanced Ground Proximity Warning System (EGPWS) warning of ‘terrain ahead’ started sounding meaning that the EGPWS worked exactly in the manner for which it was designed. It is added that the aircrew ignored several calls by the ATS (Air Traffic Services) controllers and EGPWS system warnings (21 times) related to approaching terrain and pull up.It further said flight recorders contained the complete flight data and cockpit voice recording for the entire flight duration from the takeoff to the crash.%between%

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Not the first time in History of Civil Aviation that a Captain Snubs/Humiliates/Ignores the warnings of the FO during such accidents/mishaps :(

May the soul of the departed rest in peace