Inna nillahe wa inna alyhe rajion :-\
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**Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Mushaf Ali Mir(Late)
Inna nillahe wa inna alyhe rajion **
Accordin' to the Mornin' news bulletin, bad weather is the real reason behind this unexpected tragedy.
May Allah(SWT) gives strength to the victim familites. Ameen.
well dats a tragic accident and a big loss.
May Allah rest the souls of the deceased in peace and strengthen the families and friends of the deceased.
Leader of Pakistan’s air force dead in plane crash
Pakistan military leader killed in crash
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, Feb. 20 (UPI) – The plane carrying the leader of Pakistan’s air force and several other military officials crashed in bad weather Thursday, killing all on board.
The British Broadcasting Corp. quoted a Pakistan military spokesman as saying there were no survivors in the crash of the Fokker aircraft when it went down some 150 miles northwest of Islamabad. While a cause has not been determined, the BBC said senior officials have said the crash appears to have been an accident.
Air force chief Mushaf Ali Mir was en route to inspect an air base Thursday. Shortly after the plane neared mountains in the area, radio contact was lost with the craft. Names of the other people on the plane were not immediately released.
The BBC said Pakistan announced that deputy chief of the air force Syed Qaiser Hussain was named acting air force chief.
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Originally posted by Pakistani Tiger: *
**Inna nillahe wa inna alyhe rajion *
Accordin' to the Mornin' news bulletin, bad weather is the real reason behind this unexpected tragedy.
May Allah(SWT) gives strength to the victim familites. Ameen.
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I suspect a foreign (Indian) hand in this crash just like Zia ul-Haq in 1988.
Inna Lillahe wa Inna ilaihe rajioonn.
May their souls being forgiven by Allah. and given a place in Jannah..
Perhaps they were involoved in any plan against MUSHY, thats why mushy removed them all in a single go ;)..
and yes in other cases foreign hand is a possibility..
on second thoughts.. FOKKER planes are not that reliable aswell. and i remmeber that EVE wheather was also not good.. mayebe that's a reason
lets see what comes out OFFICIALLY...
Must be RAW. Or an IAF plane.
Tragedy...
Inna lilahi wa inna alyhi rajiyoon
Villagers witness crash destruction
By Haroon Rashid
BBC reporter near Kohat
The village of Tulanj Jadeed in northern Pakistan suddenly found itself in the news with the crash of a plane carrying the air force chief.
The village - located on a plain against a backdrop of mountains - comprises a few hundred houses and is some 40 kilometres (25 miles) east of Kohat on the Rawalpindi-Kohat road.
Local people told journalists that the weather at the time of incident was not clear.
“There were dark clouds hanging over the mountains and local people were still inside their houses because it was so cold,” one man said.
Villagers said they heard a big bang
“It was around 0830 local time (0330 GMT) when we heard a noise like firing and a big explosion,” local councillor Taj Ali told the BBC.
“I rushed to the mosque and made an announcement on the loudspeaker urging people to come out and help.”
Bodies scattered
All the male villagers rushed to the crash site which was on the side of a mountain.
“My fellow villagers came out in large numbers,” he said.
We could recognise [Air Force Chief] Mushaf from his hair only
Villager Taj Ali
Nearby villagers also came to see the site of the crash.
“When we got there we saw bodies were scattered all around. The plane’s wreckage was also littered over a vast area,” he said.
The villagers say they collected a total of 17 bodies.
Taj Ali said most of the bodies were in a very bad state.
The bodies were later flown in two helicopters to Kohat.
Police were deployed all along the road from Kohat to Tulanj Jadeed.
Back at the village, a young teenage student, Abidur Rehman, showed two passport-size photographs of air force officers they had found at the crash site.
One of the photographs has Javed written on the official’s uniform badge.
Gunshots heard
Another villager, Khewa Deen, said he saw some bullets and a Kalashnikov on the ground.
And some villagers said they even heard shots before and after the explosion, but others said they heard gunshots only after the sound of the crash.
It is not clear why.
Army helicopters were seen flying over the site until late in the evening.
Top officials in Peshawar rushed to the spot to oversee the rescue operation, including the governor and chief minister of North-West Frontier Province.
Heavy contingents of air force and police personnel were also deployed outside the building where the bodies were taken.
I will rather wait for the results of investigation before passing wild comments like blaming anyone for this accident.
May Allah rest his soul in peace and of those who died with him.
According to the news I read, he was flying a Fokker plane. I would certainly hope that PAF maintains its Fokker better than PIA, cz the last time I flew a Fokker on a flight from Isb to Lhe, it seemed like a minor miracle that we made it in one peace cz the weather was horrible and the plane shook rather badly all through out. Most of these Fokker are well past their useful life and are probably flying on borrowed time.
If the accident was in fact due to bad weather, then its all the more sad, but bearable, as such accidents can always happen. Bad weather and engine failure does not generally discriminate as to who is riding in the back and the stars on their collar.
From BBC:
**Local people told journalists that the weather at the time of incident was not clear.
“There were dark clouds hanging over the mountains and local people were still inside their houses because it was so cold,”** one man said.
Cause of tragedy hasn’t been declared officially. Technical problems could be possible.
**Syed Qaiser Hussain ** has been appointed new acting PAF Chief.
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Must be RAW. Or an IAF plane.
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Kareem I wonder what u have said if it was ur family member who would be in the plane.
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*Originally posted by Poodenay_Ki_Chutney: *
Kareem I wonder what u have said if it was ur family member who would be in the plane.
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What does that have to do with anything?
The weather theory is most likely. Fokkers are small turboprop driven that are pretty vulnerable to poor weather conditions.
two crashes iran and pakistan both involving military personel?
A tragedy, may Allah swt help the dead and the ones left behind.
An aif force Chief travelling in a fokker, hmmmmm 
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two crashes iran and pakistan both involving military personel?
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Very fishy... there has to be a foreign plot, USA, Israel or India.
Here is a 2 week old news or rumour. Wonder if it has something to do with it. It is quite possible someone has been successful to pull off a smaller version of Zia crash. I know I know it all rumours but still in this case they started ahead of the crash.
http://www.satribune.com/archives/dec30_jan05_03/P1_Grapewinecomm.htm
Growing Discontent, Army Unhappy, ISI vs FBI , PAF Officers Happy
By LampPost
ISLAMABAD: The entire top brass of the Pakistan Air Force had gathered at a marriage ceremony of a senior retired PAF officer’s daughter last week and the latest whistle blower on the $50 million CASA Transport aircraft scandal, ex-PAF officer, Khalid Khawaja, was also there, fearing that others may not talk to him or may avoid him.
Khawaja had come out with his fully documented story two weeks ago in SA Tribune, alleging that PAF Chief Mushaf Ali Mir had snatched his genuine business and given it to a friend because kickbacks of some five million dollars were being offered by the Indonesian suppliers. Khawaja knew about it because he was the one to receive the Emailed bribes offer in the first place.
LampPost learnt that Khawaja was pleasantly surprised when he received a very warm welcome from all ranks of PAF officers, almost all of whom had read the SA Tribune stories and had even gone through the scores of messages posted by well informed PAF people on the SA Tribune Discussion Board about it.
**Most of the PAF officers were unhappy with the Air Chief, it appeared. This would be something not very pleasant for Air Marshal Mushaf Ali Mir to hear, if he is at all worried. At times when the armed forces need to be very alert and ready, with the officers ready to perform their national duty with a sense of honor and pride, such ill feelings in senior ranks of the force against their own chief are bad news. **
Many officers, LampPost learnt, spoke with Khalid Khawaja and openly criticized the CASA deal, not only because kickbacks were involved but because the aircraft itself was sub standard and not fit for the tough tasks required by the PAF. “They have really harmed the air force interests by making this deal. This plane is not even worth 10 million dollars each,” a well respected and the most qualified officer in the PAF in the field of transport aircraft, commented.
LampPost also learnt that Musharraf’s accountability buffs, the NAB, may take up this case as the Air force officers in the NAB are said to be people of integrity. If they do so, it would be another sorry chapter in the history books of the armed forces as the nation had recently seen the former Navy Chief Admiral Mansoor ul Haq getting convicted in a huge kickbacks scam and repaid some 7 million dollars in the submarines purchase scandal. Scandals against a former army chief, and PAF chiefs, specially for purchase of Ukrainian tanks, continue to do the media rounds but officially nothing has yet been done.
It is not just the Air Chief who has to worry about his junior officers. The Army Chief, also the country’s President, has to keep his ears and eyes open too. LampPost heard that all is not well in his territory, specially after the humiliation heaped by him on the entire armed forces in shape of dirty compromises like the handing over of Sindh Governorship to the MQM, the acceptance of PPP turncoats to cook up a forged majority, the burning of the Referendum records to hide his misdeeds and making the military government look like a shameless crowd of self-seekers who could trample upon every moral, legal, ethical and constitutional principle.
But the most creeping threat is the confrontation building up between the president and his own ISI high ups on the issue of the free hand given to the FBI to operate within Pakistan and supporting Iraq against a US attack, which is but imminent. The ISI is learnt to have launched a whispering campaign in the army barracks against General Musharraf who is now being openly bracketed with the MQM. There is some muted talk of largescale ISI backed demonstrations to be launched in various places against the US soon.
Hardly two weeks after LampPost revealed the state of the mind of General Musharraf, disclosing that some corrupt politicians had baptized him almost to the point that he no longer considered political corruption as anything objectionable or bad, Musharraf himself admitted to his new philosophy and his conversion from an idealist to a pragmatist.
So now it is official and coming from the horse’s mouth. The chapter of corruption among politicians has been officially closed but still some of the Opposition politicians are in jail, foremost among them PPP stalwarts Asif Zardari and Jehangir Badr. How is General Musharraf going to explain their continued detention as it has almost become impossible for any one to justify that Zardari should stay in jail because he imported a BMW and the MQM guy who was wanted for murder, kidnapping, arson and what not can be forgiven overnight and inducted as Governor of a province. This is stretching the argument of pragmatism to the breaking point. Pragmatism in whose interest, is the question being asked.
A fly on the President’s House wall told the LampPost General Musharraf’s close circles were not at all happy with his meeting with Ishrat ul Ibad, the new Governor of Sindh, whom he met as a protocol before officially nominating him to the post. Many in Islamabad felt the pangs of pain similar to the one felt by Ghulam Ishaq Khan when he had to swallow his pride and induct prisoner Asif Ali Zardari into his cabinet as Investment Minister. That day GIK would have died a 100 deaths and so is Musharraf these days.
Musharraf’s direct family is also not pleased with the idea of an MQM fugitive suddenly catapulted into the highest and, in the present legal set up, the most powerful, office in a province which had been won by a party which still languishes in the dark shadows of Opposition.
LampPost heard a family member in US telling some of his friends it would have been a more honorable thing for Musharraf to have reached an agreement with the religious parties rather than white-washing the faces of all those people who the army itself had been painting black for years. Now what is the justification for branding the MQM of Altaf Bhai as anti-state? What face will the Army have if tomorrow again Altaf Bhai goes into the Opposition? Will Ishrat Ibad be arrested for the cases which now have been buried under the carpet.
The new MQM Governor has been saying that cases against Altaf Bhai will also be withdrawn and the sad chapter against him would be closed. So if all this can be done to gain a few votes, how would the cases against Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif be justified? It all looks like a third rate circus for purely personal preservation.
LampPost has heard some voices in the Army ranks which are not happy with the dignity and pride of their force doing down in dust in such a manner. These games may not continue for long and the circles where all these developments are being closely watched could call it off at any time, stopping Musharraf in his tracks.
The dossier against General Musharraf is ready and could be activated at any time as he has himself announced that the days of idealism are over and he was now a pragmatist, which in simpler words, means since he had “failed to beat them (the corrupt) he had joined them.”
This declaration will not take Musharraf very far, specially since the entire armed forces were now being targeted and ridiculed for their outlandish behavior in dealing with those criminals who had come over to their side.
Faced with such growing internal criticism, Musharraf has activated the Accountability Bureau NAB and even the self-proclaimed international Islamic preacher, ex-ISI Chief Lt. Gen (Retd) Javed Nasir was called to the NAB last week to probe charges of corruption against him. Gen Nasir has filed a case against the main newspaper group of Pakistan demanding death penalty for its editor-in-chief and three other senior journalists in an anti-Terrorism Court.
Another senior pro-Musharraf official to face humiliation at the hands of NAB last week was Information Secretary Anwar Mahmood. According to a Pakistani news agency ‘Online’, NAB rejected a reference sent by Mahmood against three officers of the information ministry and warned him not to send any case without proof otherwise action could be taken against him under NAB ordinance.
The Secretary had sent a corruption reference to NAB against speech writer Rana Sharif, former Director General Information Services Academy Malik Muzaffar Abbas and Director General Films and Publication Shafiuddin of Information Ministry after they refused to give him commission in computers and other purchases, ‘Online’ reported. The news item was not touched by any Pakistani newspaper for obvious reasons as Information Secretary controls the release of government advertisements worth hundreds of millions of rupees to these newspapers.
The most important information ‘Online’ circulated was the start of an investigation against the Federal Secretary Information for his corruption in the sale of a government-owned newspaper building in Karachi. It said a junior officer who was used by the Secretary had admitted irregularities before the authorities. “Mahmood, is likely to be shown the door,” ‘Online’ said.
^ SA Tribune........here we go again!
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*Originally posted by IFTEKHAR AHMAD: *
Very fishy... there has to be a foreign plot, USA, Israel or India.
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may be coincidental bad weather factors. you should put
all important guys in one palne and fly?