Dear Bubble Buster,
Thank you so much for clearing out to me that I am kaffir. I had this deep confusion in deciding if I am Muslim, Agnostic, Athiest, or what. Now I see that I am none of the above. I had lacked interaction with an Alim like you to tell me my faith. What a relief that is.
What do Qadianis ( Ahmadiyya ) think of Muslims?
Qadiani ( Ahmadi ) missionaries often attempt to present traditional Islamic belief as dogmatic, unpleasant, and intolerant of other faiths. They approach uninformed Muslims and try to win their sympathy (and perhaps their soul) by displaying their outrage at the fact that all Muslim Scholars have declared them unbelievers and outside the fold of Islam. Naturally, they conveniently omit the true reason for this verdict and instead try to capitalize on emotions and inherent goodness of Muslims. In other pages of this site, we have extensively explained the Qadiani ( Ahmadiyya ) doctrines that has convinced all informed Muslims Qadianism is Kufr.
Some of their own writings testifying to the fact that they too believe that they have a different religion than what Muslims have been taught by Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) and have been following for 1400 years. Unfortunately, they have plagiarized much of the wonderful teachings and practices of Islam and call their new cult "Islam". They call the followers of Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) unbelievers!
If Qadianis ( Ahmadiyya ) believe they have a new religion and call the Muslims Kafir, should we call them Muslim?
*Muslims declared Kafir (Non-Muslim): *
"Allah has revealed to me that he who does not follow me and does not give me his oath of allegiance and remains in opposition is disobeying the will of Allah and His Rasul and is Jahannami (doomed to Hell)."
(Collection of Posters, Vol. 3, P. 275; Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
"Question: Huzoor-e-aali (Respected Mirza Ghulam) has mentioned in thousands of places that it is not at all right to call Kafir a Kalima-go (someone who recites the Kalima) and an Ahle-Qibla. It is quite obvious that except those Momineen who become Kafir by calling you (Mirza Ghulam) a Kafir, no one becomes a Kafir by merely not accepting you. However, you have now written to Abdul Hakeem Khan that anyone who has received my message and has not accepted me is no longer a Muslim. There is contradiction between this statement and your statements in previous books. Earlier in Tiriaq-ul-Quloob etc you had mentioned that no one becomes Kafir by not accepting you; now you are writing that by rejecting me he becomes a Kafir?!
Answer: This is strange that you consider the person who rejects me and the person who calls me Kafir as two different persons, whereas in the eyes of God he is the same type; because he who does not accept me is because he considers me a fabricator..."
(Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 167, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
"All those Muslims who do not enter the fold of the Promised Messiah, whether or not they have heard of Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) are considered Kafirs and are beyond the pale of Islam."
(Aeena-e-Sadaqat, P. 9/35, By Bashir-uddin Mahmud)
"God has revealed it to me that the person who did not believe in me after having heard about me is not a Muslim."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Jan 15, 1935 - Al-Hukum, 4:24, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
"It has been revealed to me that the person who did not follow me and did not enter into my fold, is disobedient and as such, should be thrown into Hell."
(Miyar-ul-Akhyar, Vol. 9, P. 27, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
"He (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) has regarded him as an infidel who knows him to be truthful and does not belie him in speech but has not yet entered the fold."
(Tashi-ul-Azhan, 6:4, Apr. 1911, Miyan Mahmood Qadiani -
Aqaid-e-Ahmadia, P. 108)
"A man once asked the first caliph of the Messiah (Hakim Nuruddin Sahib) whether it was possible to attain salvation without having faith in mirza Sahib? He replied: 'If the Word of God is based on truth, it is not possible to attain salvation without having faith in Mirza Sahib."
(Aa'ina-e-Sadaqat, P. 25, Miyan Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)
"In Lucknow, I (Mir Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani) met a man who was a great scholar. He said: 'Those are your enemies who make the propaganda that you condemn people as infidels. I can not believe that such broad minded people as you are can indulge in such things.' The man was making this remark to Sheikh Yaqub Ali Qadiani. I asked him to tell the man that we really believe them as infidels. The man was astonished to hear this."
(Anwar-e-Khilafat, Miyan Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)
"It seems that the Promised Messiah had also suspected that the word 'Muslim' which he used also for non-Ahmadis might be wrongly understood. So, he has made it clear in his writings occasionally that the work 'Muslim' which he used for also non-Ahmadis meant 'those who claimed to be Muslims.' hence, wherever he has used that term for non-Ahmadis, he means by it those who claim to be Muslims, for he could not have recognized those who denied him as Muslims under divine instructions."
(Kalimatul Fasl, Vol. 14, No. 3, P. 126, Sahibaza Bashir Ahmad Qadiani)
"Chaudhari Sahib (Sir Zafarullah Khan Qadiani) stressed the point that we Ahmadis are Muslims and it is wrong to regard us as infidels. As for the question whether the non-Ahmadis are infidels, the Ahmadis hold that they are infidels. They said so in the subordinate court and the Chaudhari Sahib has supported this statement in the High Court."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 10, No. 21, Sep. 14, 1922)
"O you who are called Muslims! If you really desire Islam's victory and invite the rest of the world to join you, then first come yourselves to the true Islam (Qadianism) which is available throught the Promised Messiah (Mirza of Qadian). It is under his auspices that today the roads to goodness and righteousness are open. By following him alone, man can reach the desired goal of success and salvation. He is the same pride of the former and the latter mankind (Muhammad), who had come 13 centuries ago from now as 'Rahmatul Alemeen' (The Mercy to the Worlds)."
(Al-Fadl, September 26, 1915; Qadiani Religion, P. 211-212/264, 9th Edition, Lahore)
"To declare those who denied the Holy Prophet(SAW) in his first advent as Kafirs and outside the fold of Islam but to regard the deniers of his second advent (Mirza Ghulam) as Muslim is an insult to the Prophet and a joke against the signs of Allah, since the Promised Messiah has, in the Khutba-e-Ilhamia, compared the mutual relation between the first and the second advents of the Holy Prophet to the relations between the crescent and the full moon."
(Al-Fadl, Vol. 3, No. 10, July 15, 1915; Qadiani Religion, P. 262)
"The point is now quite clear. If it is Kofr to deny the Merciful Prophet, it must also be Kofr to deny the Promised Messiah, because the Promised Messiah is in no way a separate being from the Merciful Prophet; rather he is the same (Muhammad). If anyone is not considered a Kafir for denying the promised Messiah, then anyone else who denies the Merciful Prophet should not also be considered a Kafir. How is it possible that denying him in his first advent should be considered Kofr, but denying him in his second advent should not be regarded as Kofr, even thought, as claimed by the Promised Messiah, his spiritual attainment is stronger, more complete, and more severe."
(Kalimatul Fasl, P. 146-147; Review of Religions, March-April 1915)
"Any person who believes in Moses but does not believe in Christ, or believes in Christ but does not believe in Muhammad or believes in Muhammad but does not believe in the Promised Messiah, is not only a Kafir, but he is a confirmed (Pakka) Kafir, and out of the fold of Islam."
(Kalimatul Fasl, P. 110, By Mirza Bashir Ahmad Qadiani)
"It is incumbent upon us that we should not regard non-Ahmadis as Muslims, nor should we offer prayers behind them, because according to our belief they deny one of the messengers of Allah. This is a matter of faith. None has any discretion in this."
(Anwar-e-Khilafat, P. 90, by Mirza Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)
Marriage with non-Qadiani Declared Haram:
"He who gives his daughter in marriage to any non-Qadiani is a non-Ahmadi, even though he may call himself Ahmadi... It is also forbidden for our followers to participate in such marriage gathering."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, May 23, 1931)
"There is no harm if you marry a non-Ahmadi girl because it is allowed to marry women of the people of the Book... But an Ahmadi girl should not be given to a non-Ahmadi. There is no harm in accepting their girl but it is a sin to give them a girl."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Dec. 16, 1920)
"It is permitted to marry the daughters of Christians, Hindu, and Sikhs, (but to give them daughters is not allowed)."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Feb. 18, 1930)
"By giving up Ahmadiat I mean to do something which may amount to unbelieving; giving a daughter to any non-Ahmadi also falls in that category."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, May 4, 1922)
"The fifth tenet that is binding upon my sect in this erase is that you should not give your daughters to non-Ahmadis. He who gives his daughter to a non-Ahmadi does not know what Ahmadiat is. Do you find non-Ahmadis giving their daughters to Hindus or Christians? Non-Ahmadis are, according to our faith Kafir, but they are better than you in this respect. In spite of being Kafirs themselves, they do not give their daughters to Kafirs but you, in spite of being Ahmadi, give your daughters to non-believers."
(Malaika-tullah, P. 46; by Mirza Bashir-ud-Din Mahmud)
"The promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) has definitely prohibited Ahmadis to give their daughters in marriage to non-Ahmadis (Muslims). Let us be careful in the future. Ahmadis should follow this verdict."
(Barakat-e-Khilafat, P. 75, Miyan Mahmood Qadiani;
Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 20, No. 97, Feb. 14, 1933)
"He who gives his daughter in marriage to a non-Ahmadi youth is not an Ahmadi in my opinion. None can give his daughter in marriage to a person whom he regards as a non-Muslim. The Qadi (Judge) who solemnizes such marriage should be regarded as a person who has conducted the marriage of a Muslim girl with a Christian or Hindu."
(Al-Fazl, Qadiani, Vol. 8, No. 88, May 23, 1921)
"There is no harm in marrying a non-Ahmadi girl because it is permissible to marry women belonging to the people of the Book as it might result in her enlightenment. But we should not give our girls to non-Ahmadis though we can take their girls. It means that there is no harm in talking in non-Ahmadi girls."
(Al-Hukum, Qadian, Vol. 8, No. 45, Dec. 16, 1920)
Praying Behind Muslims declared Haram:
"It is my considered religion: it is not permitted that you should offer prayer led by a non-Qadiani in any place whatsoever, whosoever he may be and however respected among the people he may be. This is an order from Allah and this is what Allah expects of you. Those who doubt this are considered deniers. Allah desires that a distinction be made between you and them."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Aug. 28, 1917)
"God has revealed to me that it is forbidden - strictly forbidden - that you should say prayers led by one who believes me to be a liar or is wavering in his allegiance to me. Instead it enjoined upon you that you should follow an Imam from amongst you."
(Arbaeen, Vol. 3, P. 28; "Tuhfa-e-Golarwiah", P. 27, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
"No Qadiani is allowed to say prayers which are led by a non-Qadiani. People have asked this question again and again - is it permissible to pray behind them? I would say, whenever I am asked, it is not allowed for any Qadiani to pray behind a non-Qadiani. It is forbidden - not permitted - prohibited."
(Anwar-e-Khilafat, P. 93)
Funeral Prayer for Muslims declared Haram:
"If one asks 'Is it permitted for us that funeral prayers be said for the children of Muslims', I would say: No - just as it is forbidden to pray for Hindu and Sikh children as the religion must follow his parents."
(Anwar-e-Khilafat, Page 93)
'To the question "What must be done to a Muslim who dies in a place where Qadianism is unknown? Should formal prayers be said?" I would say: "We do not know his full particulars but it would appear from his deed that he died in a state in which he was ignorant of Rasul of ALlah and His Nabi. Therefore, no prayers should be said for him. Nor would we say funeral prayers for a Qadiani who has followed a non-Qadiani in prayer or one who mixes with them by this action, he has left the pale of Qadianism."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, May 6, 1915, Bashir-ul-Din Mahmood Qadiani)
"Fadl Ahmad, the eldest son of promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) from his first wife, died, but he (Mirza Ghulam) did not say funeral prayers over his son as he (Fadl Ahmad) did not believe in his prophethood or in his prophecies, although he was obedient to his father in matters concerning day to day life."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Dec. 15, 1931 - Jul. 7 1943, Page 3)
"Hazrat Mirza Ghulam did not attend the funeral service of his son (late Mr. Fazl Ahmad) only because he was a non-Ahmadi (Muslim)."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 9, No. 47, Nov. 15, 1921)
"Our prayer has been channeled and we are not allowed to marry our daughters to them. To say funeral prayers for them is also prohibited. What else remains that we share with them? Relations are of two kinds: religious and worldly. The former comprises prayers and the latter relates to marriage. Thus, following non-believers in prayer is forbidden and it is also forbidden that you make them your sons-in-law. Should you then ask: 'then why do we greet them?' Then I would say that even the Prophet(pbuh) used to greet the Jews. In short, our Imam (Mirza Ghulam) has declared has declared us a distinct sect in every respect. There is no ceremony which occupies an important position in Islam in which we have not been separated from others."
(Kalimatul-Fasl, Vol. 14, P. 169, Mirza Bashi Ahmed Qadiani)
"If a non-Ahmadi dies is it permissible to say" 'May Allah pardon him and grant him admission in the Heaven?
Answer: The infidelity of the non-Admadis (Muslims) is a proven fact and it is not permissible to pray for their salvation."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 8, No. 59, Feb. 1921)
"It is an established rule that:
The denial of even one of the prophets os enough to send a person out of the circle of Islam.
It is not permissible to pray for Salvation for a person who is out of the circle of Islam.
And as the Ahmadis believe that:
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib was as much a prophet as was Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa(pbuh) in the nature of prophethood.
So it is not permissible to pray for the salvation of a person who goes out of the circle of Islam by his denial of Mirza Sahib."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 9, No. 30, Oct. 17, 1921)
"Chirag Din is a student of the Taleem-ul-Islam High School, Quadian. Recently, when he returned to his native place, Sialkot, his mother died. She had loved her son dearly, but since she was not an Ahmadi, Chirag Din did not attend her funeral prayers. He thus clung to his faith and principle. Well-done; Proud son of Taleem-ul-Islam. The movement (Quadianism) needs worthy sons like you. Well done."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 2, No. 129, Apr. 20, 1915)
"I believe that those who follow the lead of non-Ahmadis (Muslims) in prayers, it is not permissible to hold their funeral service. Similarly, those who have given their daughters in marriage to non-Quadianis and died without repenting, it is not permissible to hold their funeral service."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 13, No. 102, Apr. 13, 1926)
Is it then not a sign of the hypocrisy of Qadiani leadership and missionaries to claim to have ever wanted to be part of the Muslim nation? Yet, even after all this, the door of mercy of God is open to those who sincerely repent, give up false and man-made teachings of Mirza's family, and embrace Islam.
May Allah(SWT) guide every sincere individuals to the right path of Islam and away from the false teachings and claims of the Qadiani leadership.
Ghazi
Facts Are The Authority!
I think that this bubble guy thinks he is playing god. like he is the person to decide who is kaffir and who is not.
Mr Bubble
how are u so sure that we will go to hell. just judging by one line that i wrote.
just for your information a person with an attitude could never go to heaven either.
As for calling me a kaffir, i don't mind what insane people say.
Asfia
COPY&PASTE OR CUT&PASTE!
For some posters it is a ritual to allege anyone they don’t like or they can’t debate with reason and logic for copying & pasting or cutting and pasting?
But question is how valid this allegation is? Fact is copy and paste or cut and paste is a feature that every computer user is equipped with. This feature is designed to avoid typing, redundancy, and use of typed material in simple fashion for later use to prevent retyping. This feature provides a great help to those who are deemed to use same material over and over again, such as printers, publishers, scholars, intellectuals, and people who debates on public forum. So why the non-sense accusation? The people who are ignorant, intimidated, and do not possess any capacity to debate with reason and logic because they have no facts in support of their crapola use this as weapon. Their impotency to put forth forensic and empirical results can only find a refuge under this allegation, which gives them illusion that they are intelligent. Fact is that they possess less intelligence than a Pigeon on crack.
Bubble Buster
"The true EVIL lies in IGNORANCE, not in suspicion."
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Originally posted by Asfia:
**I think that this bubble guy thinks he is playing god. like he is the person to decide who is kaffir and who is not.
Mr Bubble
how are u so sure that we will go to hell. just judging by one line that i wrote.
just for your information a person with an attitude could never go to heaven either.
As for calling me a kaffir, i don't mind what insane people say.
Asfia**
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Dear Asfia:
I can relay to your sexual frustration. I understand your mental and emotional constipation. If you have some sort of crush on me; be advised I'm a married man. I can't help except to thanks Allah (SWT) for his blessing for giving me irresistible personality and intelligence. (Shukr Al_Hamdu-Lillah).
Since you are so ashamed of your Hindu heritage that you have not disclosed your ethnicity, country of origin and faith to me. It is impossible for me to respond to your tautological rhetoric in an appropriate fashion. It is same, as you can’t demonstrate the use of common sense.
To help implant this fact in your birdbrain that you are wrong. I am not deciding who will go to hell and who will go to Paradise. Since your degree of intelligence is ** BELOW ZERO ** (and you thought that it is only temperature that goes below zero, well you are wrong again) you can’t understand that it is the Final Revelation of God *THE NOBLE QURAN, * In which we Muslims believes in, not to mention live and die for has told us over 14 centuries ago that who will go to hell. So intellectually challenged Asfia, it is Muslim belief. So far you have only posted your brain farts.
Words of wisdom from BB :)
*IF YOU CAN’T MAKE ANY SENSE, PLEASE DON’T MAKE NON-SENSE! *
Bubble Buster
"You mess with the BEST
You LOSE like the REST!"
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bubbloo,
give the Qur'an a break for a while and learn how civilized humans talk to womenfolk.
completely agreed queer.
he really needs to learn some manners and get out of that superiority complex.
Mr bubble
who do u think u are? to me you are an insane person.
i think that all muslims have to follow prophet muhammad (pbuh) and the prophet never swore.
[quote]
Originally posted by Asfia:
completely agreed queer.
he really needs to learn some manners and get out of that superiority complex.
Mr bubble
who do u think u are? to me you are an insane person.
i think that all muslims have to follow prophet muhammad (pbuh) and the prophet never swore.
[/quote]
WHAT DO YOU FOLLOW? YOU DOES NOT SEEMS TO FOLLOW ANYTHING, SINCE YOU HAVE PROVEN THAT YOU ARE CLUELESS ABOUT ISLAAM. AS AN IGNORANT FEMALE AND CLAIMING TO BE MUSLIMA YOU STAND A 100% CHANCE TO MULTIPLY IGNORANCE.
Bubble Buster
"You mess with the BEST
You LOSE like the REST!"
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Can you trust Mirza Ghulam Qadiani on anything?
(In light of his own Writings)
Allah(SWT) and his Messenger(SAW) have both condemned those who forge lies and attribute those to divine revelations:
It is those who believe not in the Signs of Allah, that forge falsehood: it is they who lie!
(The Holy Quran, An-Nahl, 16:105)
Who doth more wrong than such as forge a lie against Allah, or deny His Signs? But never will prosper those who sin.
(The Holy Quran, Yunus, 10:17)
Ascribing false things to me(SAW) is not like ascribing false things to anyone else. Whosoever tells a lie against me intentionally then surely let him occupy his seat in Hell-Fire.
(Hadith Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 378)
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, himself, in his early writings has written:
"Telling a lie is not the lesser evil than to be an apostate."
(Supplement Footnote of Tufa-Gaulroaya, P. 19; Arbain, No. 3, P. 24)
"If someone is proven a liar; he also becomes unreliable in other affairs."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 23, P. 231; Chashma-e-Mua'arfat, P. 222)
Now, let's look at a small sampling of the lies Mirza Ghulam forged against Allah(SWT), during his later years. Mirza fabricated these statements to impress ignorant people and trick them into accepting his blasphemous claims:
"God, in the Holy Quran, has declared worshipping Jesus a great act of mischief. It is also foretold that the plague and earth-quakes, etc. will occur when worshipping of Jesus becomes rampant. God has clarified that in the last era, all the horrible incidents on the sky and earth will appear only due to one reason: that is worshipping of Jesus."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 498-499; Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, P. 64)
Does any Qadiani care to point out the verse in the holy Quran where this is mentioned?
"Naturally, the prophecies of the Holy Quran and Hadith, in which it was revealed that the Promised Messiah will be prosecuted by the Muslim scholars, must come to pass. They will declare him an unbeliever."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol.17, P. 404; Arbaine, No. 3, P. 25)
Would any Qadiani like to tell us where in Quran this fact is disclosed?
"The Quran mentions the names of three cities with great respect: Mecca, Medina, and Qadian."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 3, P. 140, footnote; Footnote of Izala-ul-Autham, P. 34/77)
Has anyone seen a mention of the city of Qadian in the Holy Quran?
"Look at what God has said so clearly in the noble Quran" 'No greater transgressor will be found than one who invents lies against me. And I shall destroy the liar soon and I shall not allow him time."
(Tadhkirat-ush-Shahadatain, P. 34)
This lie was intended to suggest that since he (Mirza) had not been promptly stricken dead, he must have been truthful in his claim! There is no such a verse in the holy Quran!
"The Prophet of Allah was asked about the Day of Resurrection: when will it occur? He replied: 'Doomsday will occur within a hundred years for all the sons of Adam'."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 3, P. 227); Izalat-ul-Auham, P. 252/253/257/104)
There has never been any such saying. Mirza tried to explain his false prophecies by falsely suggesting that even our Prophet(SAW) had made mistakes in his prophecies!
"It is mentioned in the True Traditions that the Promised Messiah will appear at the beginning of a century and will be a renewer for the fourteenth century."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 21, P. 359; Abrahim-Ahmadiyya, P. 188)
Absolutely Not! This was fabricated by Mirza to claim he was the Promised Messiah.
"After all, when God and His Apostle (Muhammad(SAW)) and all the Prophets have declared the supremacy of the second Messiah (Mirza) of this period due to his great achievements; then, it is a satanic act to question me 'Why do you proclaim yourself superior to the first Messiah, the son of Mary?'."
(Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 159)
Has anyone seen a Hadith where this is confirmed?
"In the books of hadith - Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim Sharif, Dani-Ail's - and in the Holy Bible, where ever there is a description of me, the word "prophet" is written by my name."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 17, P.413; Arbaine, No. 3, P. 30)
Would someone please point out to use where the name of Mirza Ghulam is mentioned in these books?
"Since the very beginning, the Holy prophets of God warned people that the denial of Mehdi's signs will cause this sign of lamentation on the sky."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 17, P. 151; Tufa-ul-Gaularwia, P. 62)
Certainly there is no such warning either in The Holy Quran nor Authentic Hadith. Mirza was trying to capitalize on a solar-eclipse and claim it a sign of his prophethood!
"If one has to refer to a Hadith, more importance should be placed on those Hadiths that are more authentic. For example the Hadiths of Bukhari Sharif which foretell of some caliphs of the last era; particularly, the caliph about whom Bukhari narrates a voice for his ratification will be heard from the sky stating: 'This is Mehdi, the caliph of Allah'. Now, think how accurate this Hadith is, since it appears in a book most accurate, after the Holy Quran."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 6, P. 337; Shahadat-ul-Quran)
There is absolutely no such hadith in Sahih Bukhari Sharif books.
"The Apostle of God, peace be upon him, said: 'when an epidemic afflicts any town, its inhabitants should leave the town at once, otherwise they will be among those who do battle against God.'"
(Al-Hakam, August 24, 1907)
After over 100 years, no one has been able to find this hadith! It does not exist.
After all these blatant lies against Allah(SWT) and Prophet(SAW), noone should have any doubt that Mirza Ghulam and his associates were engaged in creating and propagating Kofr in the name of Islam.
Undoubtedly, this is the unfortunate end of those who invent and spread falsehood to hinder men from Islam:
Who doth more wrong than those who invent a lie against Allah? They will be turned back to the presence of their Lord, and the witnesses will say, "These are the ones who lied against their Lord! Behold! the Curse of Allah is on those who do wrong!-
Those who would hinder (men) from the path of Allah and would seek in it something crooked: these were they who denied the Hereafter!"
They will in no wise frustrate (His design) on earth, nor have they protectors besides Allah! Their penalty will be doubled! They lost the power to hear, and they did not see!
(The Holy Quran, Hud, 11:18-20)
Bubble Buster
"You mess with the BEST
You LOSE like the REST!"
Decision of Divine Court
For Qadianis who call themselves Ahmadis
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was a Liar
(In light of his own Writings)
Mubahala means that two parties come out together in the open, facing each other, to present their case in the court of Allah(SWT), the Exalted, and invoke Him for seeking His decision as to who is truthful and who is a liar. Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was not sincere enough to participate in a face to face Mubahala, but he stated that, according to him, a prayer duel from a distance would also be effective.
THEREFORE
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani conducted a Mubahala with Maulana Abdul Haq Ghaznavi (Allah's mercy on him), in Eidgah ground of Amristar on Zeeqadah 10, 1310 A.H.
(Majmuai-Ishtiharat Mirza Qadiani, Vol. 1, P. 427)
Maulana Abdul Haq Ghaznavi's 'Mubahala' was on this issue that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani and all his believers were kafirs, liars, impostors and faithless.
(Majmuai-Ishtiharat Mirza Qadiani, Vol. 1, P. 425)
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani had said on Oct. 2, 1907 (7 months, 24 days before his death) that "the liar among the participants in a Mubahala dies during the lifetime of the truthful."
(Majmuai-Ishtiharat Mirza Qadiani, Vol. 9, P.440)
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani died during the lifetime of Maulana Abdul Haq Ghaznavi on May 26, 1908, whereas Maulana Abdul Haq Ghaznavi (Allah's mercy on him) expired 9 years later, on May 16, 1917.
(Rais-e-Qadian, Vol. 2, P. 192)
Mirza Qadiani's death during Maulana Ghaznavi's life, as a consequence of Mubahala, is an unqualified decision of the divine court. The result is clear: Mirza Qadiani was a liar and those who believe in him - after the truth has been conveyed to them - are kafirs, apostates, pretenders and dualist-infidels. If Mirza Tahir Qadiani and his Qadiani group have any faith in the Divine decision, then they are duty bound to accept this decision and proclaim Mirza Ghulam Qadiani -- the one-eyed impostor -- a fraud and renounce Qadianism; otherwise, the world will be bound to consider Mirza Tahir and all the Qadianis as individuals who have denounced Allah.
To believe in a false prophet is to become a log of Hell. Muslim brethren should endeavor to save every Qadiani from falling into eternal fire.
Bubble Buster
"You mess with the BEST
You LOSE like the REST!"
Attention Qadianis! (Ahmadiyya)
The following are some of the questions that have troubled many Muslims for almost a century. We earnestly urge you to seek answers to these questions while your leaders are in town. If you do not get satisfactory answers, revert to the true and only Islam. We are not your foes but friends who wish you the best in this life and the hereafter:
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani had demeaning opinion about one of the great prophets, Jesus(pbuh). He called Jesus(pbuh) a liar, a foul-mouth alcoholic and a patron of prostitutes. After all this, he claimed to be Jesus Christ himself -- better than the real Jesus(pbuh). How do you reconcile this?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani had nothing good to say about the companions of the prophet Muhammad(SAW). He viewed Abu Huraira(RA) as ignorant and useless. He made insulting remarks about the family of the Prophet -- Ali(RA), his wife Fatima(RA) and their sons Hassan(RA) and Hussain(RA). Having made such remarks he compared himself to them or better. In what sense do you think he was comparable?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani claimed his miracles were superior to those of all the Prophets, including the last of the Prophets -- Muhammad(SAW). Then, he and his associated claimed he was even better than Muhammad(SAW). Do you find any basis for this?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani claimed to have been given god-like powers: Power over life and death and the ability to create at will. However, he died like a mortal should. Do you believe he was God?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani crafted a saying "Messiah will come at the end of the 14th century" and attributed this to prophet Muhammad(SAW). Attributing false statements to the Prophet(SAW) is a sure way to hell-fire. There is and has never been such a saying of the Prophet(SAW) -- this was Mirza Qadiani's own fabrication. In this light, where do you think he will end up?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was taught by human beings with names recorded in history -- Fazal ILahi, Fazal Ahmad, and Gul Ali Shah. Do you think a true prophet could be taught by human beings?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani decreed that struggle against the British Colonial Power was prohibited and obedience to British Raj was obligatory! In light of colonial history, can you think of any reason for this?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani proclaimed all humanity, except those who follow his cult, non-believers, off-springs of prostitutes, and bound for hell! Can an intelligent person be intimidated by such words?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani refused to pray for his dead son, Fazal Ahmad, because he did not believe in his father's claims. Sir Zafarullah refused to join the funeral prayers held for his employer, the father of the Nation of Pakistan. Do you think a dead son and a dead boss have no human rights?
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani signed a pledge in a British ruled Indian Court of Law never to indulge in Mubahalas. Now, is Mirza Tahir Qadiani honoring his grandfather's words by doing the contrary?
These are all facts you are invited to research for yourself. We wish you to revert to Islam and away from Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, who claimed to be Jesus Christ(pbuh), Muhammad(SAW), and Mehdi. In the United States, many people have claimed to be Christ -- David Koresh, Jim Jones, and Charles Manson to name a few. We hope that you will not have the same destiny as those who followed these other false Messiah.
Bubble Buster
"You mess with the BEST
You LOSE like the REST!"
thanks a lot bubble guy for telling methat i am ignorant. but guess what?
you r not the one to decide who i am?
so stop your idiotic comments that make no sense whatsoever. and no need to tell me if i am kaffir and ignorant or whatever.
have you ever heard of huqooq ul ibad? i guess not.
Asfia
[This message has been edited by Asfia (edited April 03, 2000).]
Dear Bubble Buster,
This thread is getting a little slow due to heavey number of long posts. Could you please start another thread as its part 2 if you intend to continue the discussion? Thanks.
Most of you jokers have no idea, where all
this juvenile 'hansi-mazaak' will unwittingly
lead most of you. Pick up the Quran and read
its translation this time. Sab hansi-mazaak
bhool jao gey, aur yea daant ander challey
jaien gey.
Allah sey darro. This life will pass in a
second aur phir tum logon key liyea andheri
raat hogi. I don't care what you think, any
one who has this attitude about Islam, is
not one of us.
Thakur