ahmadis cannot marry non ahmadis - comments?

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i dont want to open a thread in the religion forum coz usually all threads related to ahmadis in the religion forum get closed :stuck_out_tongue:

i want an open discussion - and i specially welcome responses from ahmadis. (i am not an ahmadi)

i know there is a rule in the ahmadi jamaat that does not allow ahmadis to marry non-ahmadis - neither guys nor girls

if an ahmadi dares to marry a non-ahmadi, he/she along with the whole family is kicked out from the jamaat

i find this situation so puzzling.

on one hand ahmadis claim that they are Muslim and they don’t call non-Ahmadis non-Muslim

so from their point of view, if they are Muslims and a shia lets say is also a Muslim, isn’t a Muslim (the ahmadi person) allowed to marry another Muslim?

is the rule from their khalifa more binding than Islamic law?

furthermore, Islam says that every person is rewarded/punished for his Own deeds - then why, to create pressure on the individual ahmadi, there is such rule that his whole Family will be punished for his act (of marrying non-ahmadi) - isn’t this against basic Islamic principles?

if ahmadis say that they do this for the safety of their community - is this correct under Islam to change the principles of religion for personal safety?

also, why do so many ahmadis not declare that they are ahmadis officially? why in their identity papers they call themselves Muslims and leave out the Qadiani box? in fact they also without any shame sign the box that says that they are not Qadianis (as in the Pakistani NADRA form, to say u r a Muslim u must sign that box also)

i am just amazed that after knowing all of this - still young ahmadis are leading a blind existence and stick blindly to the rules of their jamaat/khalifa

p.s. mods, i hope you will allow some breathing space - some open discussion - and not quash this thread/discussion. jazakallah

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Re: ahmadis cannot marry non ahmadis - comments?

I have attended two such marriages, but in both cases the couple were liberal.

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Khan

liberal means?

  • did they have a nikah? which form was used? ahmadi nikah form is different from the normal nikah form used in Pakistan. further, as far as i know, ahmadi nikah cannot be registered with the pakistani government. it is only registered in the ahmadi jamat

  • was the non-ahmadi partner asked to sign any bait or other ahmadi papers [ofcourse in Pakistan this is a crime and one becomes murtid by doing so]

  • was the ahmadi person and his family kicked out from ahmadi jamaat after the marriage?

or were the weddings in some foreign country maybe and not pakistan? and the couples got married without much knowledge of their religious communities?

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I think in both cases it was a Sunni nikaah. But i can ask.

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whoa..

so it was a sunni nikah?

but the ahmadi person and his family still continue to attend events of their jamaat? they weren't kicked out of the jamaat?

at least in pakistan, this rule is followed quite strictly from what i have heard - ahmadis kick out such people from their jamaat.. when after the marriage news leaks that so and so person married a non-ahmadi, he/she and full family is kicked out from ahmadi jamaat

maybe this is not so in foregin countries? im nt sure. where were these couples located?

if u can dig into details without trouble and without looking too intrusive i would be very interested to know the details. but ofcourse only if its not an issue. thanks though

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also, IF the sunni partner signed the ahmadi/bait papers then i think the ahmadi person could be saved from being kicked out of jamaat along with family

but i dont think any sunni will ever admit to having signed such forms/papers. in pakistan one can be killed for doing this

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How about doing a little research before you claim such things?

](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPzw6f0PZgE)

Look how easy it is nowadays. You don’t even have to go to the liabrary…

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^^ I know someone personally who is in this problem that the topic starter has said.. Saying it on videos and documentaries isnt what real life is.

And yes they are not allowed to. Although few liberal do it in a try to make their partner converted to Ahmedi belief.

They are so bonded to it that if any person want to marry an Ahmedi and that ahmedi is helpless because of the reason that he or she cant marry any other out of his or her circle then they say that they dont believe on all this but they believe that Allah is one and we have to obey HIS orders. :D

I mean you can do all to favor your situation.

YA RABB!
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I happen to know a few too, and they weren't kicked out. LOL

That's News to me, didn't know they have a different Nikah than other Muslims.

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라시드](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/members/-and-46972-and-49884-and-46300-.html)

the ahmadi khalifa is saying in the first video that it is not permissible. by the way, for your info, this is the seond last caliph, not the most recent one, of the ahmadis, and the most recent ahmadi khalifa has declared that not even ahmadi boys can marry non-ahmadi girls, though previously only the ahmadi girls were prohibited to marry outside the jamaat
(the video link youve given is from 1996)

and in the second video its not clear at all what the Ahmadi caliph is saying - i mean he’s saying that its not allowed but people can ask for forgiveness! and giving example of ahmadi girl who marrie non-ahmadi boy

im also interested in real life examples as well, though thanks for the links too

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aaho
so if i get you correctly, you also think this rule from the ahmadi jamaat is puzzling and contradictory with the principles of Islam?
to the person you know who is in this situation: i believe you should tell that person that either he should choose rules as they are given by Allah or he should follow beliefs of a cult which has rules that have got nothing to do with Islam but are concerned with preservation of the cult
a lot of young ahmadis do not know details of their religion, they dont go to the jamaat khana, they are just born as ahmadis, and so continue to be ahmadis, but dont know in details about the rules. i feel that they need the strength to come out as Muslims. however their jamaat leadership has them almost brainwashed.

라시드](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/members/-and-46972-and-49884-and-46300-.html)

people whom you know who werent kicked out might have married before the mid 80’s. or perhaps they remain lives totally separated from the ahmadi jamaat? or they dont live in pakistan at least?

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In the first Video he said that it’s permissible for Ahmadi boys to marry non-Ahmadi girls and Ahmadi girls are not permitted to marry non-Ahmadi boys.
In the second Video he is explaining further that even If an Ahmadi girl married a non-Ahmadi boy and asks for forgiveness later on, she’ll be forgiven and she can stay in the Jamaat, without separating from her non-Ahmadi husband.

You didn’t understand the Video because you don’t want to understand. LOL

Why don’t you backup your statement that their recent Khalifa doesn’t permit this kind of marriages anymore?

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[mod]Such GS policies are not limited to one section only. If something is not allowed in one section then it is NOT allowed in other sections as well.[/mod]

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