Re: Ahmadi-Thread
Peace yo!
Well then Numb sahab, I would like detail answer from you about Mirza's prophecies like you mentioned about Muhammadi Begum, his prediction that Abdulla will die..etc.... Also what about what he said that if a prophecy does not come true you can call me a liar (along those lines..)..
Another thing bothering me, is it true that YOU youngsters are not aware of what goes on at the top? Again just hearing this from ex-Qadianis..
Why the tax on income? Where does it go? How is it derived..?
By books I meant, if you check mainstream Islam, you have book for all in all languages. Why hasn't the works of Mirza been translated in other languages?
AND the MOST important question, there gotta be a SOLID ARGUMENT why the Ulema have declared Qadianis as out of fold of Islam? What's your take on it? Do not give me "they're wrong", why are they wrong? I mean these Ulema are not JAHIL, they have studied deen, they have given their lives to Islam, they are also well versed in many languages just like you claim Mirza was. Their works have been respect amongst all even the non-Muslims, they have sacrificed much for deen, so at the end of the day, you guys have to bring a solid argument as to why you think these "MULLAH" as you call them, are EVIL/Terrorists/Violent..etc
Also, do you guys REJECT all the stories of Jihad? Meaning you reject all ahadith?
I will go back once agian to Prince's thread about fiqh. It's not that important but since you claim Mirza a prophet, he should of done something to establish the correct way of praying. If he prayed like any other villager in his Qadian, then what to say he was a prophet?
What is the fiqh of marriage according to you? Divorce? Fiqh of fasting? Wudhu? Again all the basics he should of told us.
If you will bring the argument of whatever he did different was adopted and what he did same was well and good. We speaking of fiqh, the Hanafi school of thought is prevelent in Indo-Pak, so most likely he would of been comparing his own belief with Hanafi school of thought.
BUT this is where it get interesting, if Mirza says whoever does not believe in "ME" as a Messiah/Prophet..etc he is out of fold of ISLAM. THen what to say of who he followed: IMAM ABU HANIFA.
You see there are many contradictions in Qadianism. If you can answer all this with references from Mirza's work I would really love to learn more about Qadianism.
Until then, I follow the ruling of the respected Ulema who have given more to the Ummah then Mirza and his followers have.
Peace.