Re: Ahmadi man killed days after cleric dubbed community ‘national enemy’ on TV show
This is not an isolated incident. I quite clearly remember the killing of two prominent Ahmadis (one of them was a doctor if my memory serves me right) right after Amir Liaqat held a program declaring them *wajib ul qatal *with help from couple of Mullahs, of course. I doubt Geo would learn any lesson, they just cannot let this clown like charlatan go. No matter how much damages he causes and how much public widespread disgust and ridicule he brings upon the channel and himself, he always finds a way back to the screen. It is a hopeless situation.
Bhutto should never be forgiving for legitimising this religious bigotry by enclosing it in the Constitution. Thanks to his vile ploy to temper the constitution for political gains, there are nut jobs who think it is their national right to have an opinion on this issue and defend it to death since constitution allows it. Constitution is supreme and unchallengeable.
Re: Ahmadi man killed days after cleric dubbed community ‘national enemy’ on TV show
if you have itch open another thread, let see what proofs you have. there is difference between false claims and proofs.
Can you now comment on what i quoted or just wanted to increase your post count
Sorry, I am not going to take the bait. I don't feel the need to prove or disprove your religious belief. The difference between "false claims and proofs" is nothing more than how you choose to interpret said "proof". But everyone else's religion is illogical and full of nonsense, but yours, right?
I did comment on what you posted, unfortunately you were not able to comprehend the message I was trying to convey. And whats even more unfortunate, is that the mindset you represent is in majority in Pakistan.
Perhaps he/she is upset.
Lets not start an other argument.
Every Pakistani who has the slightest concern for the Pakistani society should be upset when someone tries to legitimize hate speech. Unfortunately Pakistani society at large believe that this hatred is going to stop at the Ahmadis.
Re: Ahmadi man killed days after cleric dubbed community ‘national enemy’ on TV show
Every Pakistani who has the slightest concern for the Pakistani society should be upset when someone tries to legitimize hate speech. Unfortunately Pakistani society at large believe that this hatred is going to stop at the Ahmadis.
We are upset.
Person who did hate speech should me held accountable.
We do not think this tread would stop at ahmadies, in fact there is no need to imagine, thing has played out in pak already, between different sects.
Re: Ahmadi man killed days after cleric dubbed community ‘national enemy’ on TV show
We are upset.
thing has played out in pak already, between different sects.
That was my point exactly. You spread hatred and violence in a society, you will end up being consumed by the same hatred and violence yourself. That is whats been occurring in Pakistan, for some strange reason the Pakistani society at large is not able to comprehend something as simple. The audience applauding hate speech against Ahmadis, does not have the brain cells to comprehend that the same hatred will one day consume them too. You want a peaceful Pakistan? Start by stop spreading hatred on basis of religion.
Then you have people pretending to be some sort of an authority on the beliefs of Ahmadis, trying to justify and legitimize hate speech by presenting "proof" on how the Ahmadis are actually enemies of Pakistan/muslims. Which is no different than what anti-islam organizations do in non-muslim countries.
Im an agnostic, barely muslim, let alone Ahmadi. Brainless people’s will assume that for someone to speak against injustice inflicted on Ahmadis must make him one. speaks volume for what a massive ignoramus such a person must be…
That Quote has absolutely NOTHING to do with the topic. Its the responsibility of the Pakistani govt to protect the citizens of this god forsaken country from rabid mullahs and their ilk. That means preventing HATE speech thats spoken TODAY not a hundred years ago. This is common sense to those who have it. If you want to discuss what religious people have said in the past, then go to the religion forum.
Re: Ahmadi man killed days after cleric dubbed community ‘national enemy’ on TV show
Med I thought you were ahmedi
I am not supporting hate speech but keep it balanced. It comes from both sides. That was the point. I agree with you that such things from neither side should be communicated
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Med I thought you were ahmedi
I am not supporting hate speech but keep it balanced. It comes from both sides. That was the point. I agree with you that such things from neither side should be communicated
What I am is irrelevant. Stick to the subject. Ahmadis are trying to survive in Pakistan. If there is hate, its directed against them. To pretend its a two way street is wishful thinking. Quoting passages from something written 100 years ago doesnt support your claim. If past statements can constitute hate speech today, then there is no dearth of passages that people can quote from Islam that may be understood to be hate speech today against Jews and Christians.
Re: Ahmadi man killed days after cleric dubbed community ‘national enemy’ on TV show
I've not read threw the whole thread so pardon me if this has been addressed.
For arguments sake - lets all agree that Ahmedi's are not "muslim" .... how are they any different from Hindus/Christians/buddist living in pakistan? Why are Ahemdi's targeted more openly and violently?
What room do non-muslim minorities have in Pakistan? And in Islam? Whats the direct ruling on how to deal with non muslims living in a muslim country??
Re: Ahmadi man killed days after cleric dubbed community ‘national enemy’ on TV show
Why are Ahemdi's targeted more openly ?
Lets just rephrase question. Why some mullah tend to pick on ahmedi during their khutbas.(hate-ish speech)
Christian talk about jesus (as)
Buddest about buddha...
Ahmadis have some new look on some old muslim ideas.
How those speeches, by mullahs, turn into aggression, that every one knows.
Re: Ahmadi man killed days after cleric dubbed community ‘national enemy’ on TV show
So much for not even sparing the terrorist apologists and rooting out religious bigotry, did PEMRA take any notice of Amir Liaqat's programe? Was he fined, did they issue him a warning or anything like that, did they take any action against the Mullah who that made hate speech against Ahmadis?
Government's beloved Geo and its most bankable clown gets another lifeline.
Re: Ahmadi man killed days after cleric dubbed community ‘national enemy’ on TV show
This is not an isolated incident. I quite clearly remember the killing of two prominent Ahmadis (one of them was a doctor if my memory serves me right) right after Amir Liaqat held a program declaring them *wajib ul qatal *with help from couple of Mullahs, of course. I doubt Geo would learn any lesson, they just cannot let this clown like charlatan go. No matter how much damages he causes and how much public widespread disgust and ridicule he brings upon the channel and himself, he always finds a way back to the screen. It is a hopeless situation.
Bhutto should never be forgiving for legitimising this religious bigotry by enclosing it in the Constitution. Thanks to his vile ploy to temper the constitution for political gains, there are nut jobs who think it is their national right to have an opinion on this issue and defend it to death since constitution allows it. Constitution is supreme and unchallengeable.
The doctor in question was a renowned Heart specialist. Its a tragedy for so many reason. He was so good, Columbia Presbyterian here in NY, one of the finest hospitals in the world would fly him in for emergency surgeries. My father in-law was in Columbia Presbyterian a few months back. I cant emphasize enough, considering how reliant we become on the Doctors and medical staff, what a huge loss that was for his patients, students and peers.
Those Sobs who shot him will never know who they killed.
Re: Ahmadi man killed days after cleric dubbed community ‘national enemy’ on TV show
I've not read threw the whole thread so pardon me if this has been addressed.
For arguments sake - lets all agree that Ahmedi's are not "muslim" .... how are they any different from Hindus/Christians/buddist living in pakistan? Why are Ahemdi's targeted more openly and violently?
What room do non-muslim minorities have in Pakistan? And in Islam? Whats the direct ruling on how to deal with non muslims living in a muslim country??
Because the Sunni (Shia to some extent aswell) are upset that Ahmadis are "pretending" to be Muslim. And they feel that Ahmadis insult the prophet and so. Ahmadis insist they are Muslim and that they hold the prophet in the same reverence as other Muslims but interpret some things differently. Sunni ulema dont believe them.