Ahle-Sunnah Lectures needed on the Martrydom of Imam Hussain (a.s.)

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I guess you are not aware of history, it was Hajj season and almsot whole of Medina was empty, everyone was gone to Hajj, there were only few people left in Medina. Some on them were Hazrat Ali r.a., Hazrat Hassan r.a. and Hazrat Hussain r.a. People who killed Hazrat Usman r.a were same people who later on founded Shiaism, and they came from Egypt/Yemen, as this was a good time for them to carry out their plan. For 40 days there was no food/water for Hazrat Usman, then they martyred him. These same people later on joined the army of Hazrat Ali r.a., under the pretex of love of Ahl Bayat, and caused much fitna, these people were behind all the wars that happened between the Sahabas.

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there were not many ppl in Madinah when Uthman (ra) was martyred…
that is why the khawarij got the opportunity…

and among those who were present at the time was Hadhrat Ali (ra), who told Uthman (ra) to keep security at his home, which Uthman (ra) refused…
hence Ali (ra), fearing something bad might happen, put Hassan (ra) and Hussain (ra) at the gate to stand guard, who were also told by Uthman (ra) to leave…

those who claimed revenge were mostly the Ummayyads, headed by Muaweyah (ra), who at the time was the governor of syria…
do u know the distance between madinah and syria???

and for that matter, the distance between kufa and madinah???

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Furthermore, abdullah ibne abbas(ra) , one of the greatest scholar of quran and hadees, cousin of ali(ra) , son of abbas(ra) , uncle of prophet(pbuh), a pure banu hashmi keep on shoutng to usman(ra) that plz. allow me to jihad against these rebellions when usman(ra) made him Ameer-ul-Hujjaj and send him makkah but usman(ra) said i will never loke that swords between muslis will out for me...infact in usman(ra) house there were a large no. of slaves but usman(ra) took thier all swords so that in confusion , the fight will not break out...and in last moments ..his slaves ...Sabeih and Najeeh sacrificed thier lives on thier mazloom
master who for the unity of ummah sacrificed his own precious life......

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so uthman opposed fighting in his name ...right? ..yet those who claimed to love him forgot that right after his death and started fitnah in order to "avenge him"

on the one hand you say that Ali b abu talib(as) Hussain and Hasan (as) and ibn abbas(ra) was so concerned about safety of uthman on the other hand you say that murderers of uthman were in their army .....in other words Ali was elected by murderers of uthman ? so is this election valid?

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khawarij were formed after arbitration of siffin

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those who claimed revenge were mostly the Ummayyads, headed by Muaweyah (ra), who at the time was the governor of syria....
do u know the distance between madinah and syria????

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what about those from non-ummayyad quraish ? did they have to attack basra to seek revenge for uthman?

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and for that matter, the distance between kufa and madinah?

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yet the revolutinaries did come to medina from kufa and egypt ....and the siege of uthman's palace lasted a long time
if the supporters of uthman were so concerned about his safety they had ample time to organize their forces

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on the one hand you say that Ali b abu talib(as) Hussain and Hasan (as) and ibn abbas(ra) was so concerned about safety of uthman on the other hand you say that murderers of uthman were in their army .....in other words Ali was elected by murderers of uthman ? so is this election valid?

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Hazrat Ali r.a had no control over them as it was said by Hazrat Ali r.a.

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^ all the more reason ....how is this election valid ....if what u say is correct

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No sir..they stand for the love of usman(ra) agaainst ali(ra)as these murderes and rebels were in his army...the same love that greatest shabas like zubair(ra) and talha(ra) and aysha(ra) rose against ali(ra) ..another great sahabi...if they had no love...why they rose up against ali(ra)...this was the same love ......when hassan(ra) shirt was filled with blod one day when defending the door off usman(ra) as in Tareeq Tabari is written.... abdullah ibne zubair (ra) , abdullah ibne bbas(ra) , muhammad bin talha(ra) , hassan(ra) hussin(ra) ...all were guarding the usmn(ra) door...so brother how can you then say that the sahabas were against usman(ra) and not many people were in favour with him ?

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yes brother ...all great shabas were in support of usman(ra) and guarded his house...when murderers killed usman(ra) they mixed up in the lovers of ahle-bait and ali(ra) infact they were trying to save them from Qassas as all great sahabas like zubair(ra) and talha(ra) at first did not bait ali(ra) and said that first take qassas ..then we will bit you but **malik bin ashtar nakhee **took a sword and said if you not bait i will kill you right now so both great sahabas bait ali(ra) but said that if you will not take Qassas of usman(ra) our bait will automatically be **Fisq **means break.....

Regarding ali(ra) bait ...many shahbas rather greatt sahabas also did not bait ali(ra) as muhammad bin muslama ansari(ra) chief intelligence officer of umar(ra) ...usama bin zaid(ra) ...one of the dearest person to prophet(pbuh) as in hadees and also many others but ajority of ansars and uhajireen bait hi so he beae aliph but yet sabai the urderes of usan(ra) were so much blammed by the people that ali(ra) had to shift his capital from medina ...as ali(ra) was not getting full support *from people as got by **3 caliphs *... and *sabai **had created **such a situation **that a blame of usman(ra) murder was directed to the ali(ra) but he was never involved in it ...but you know misconceptions as in case of usman(ra) also in case of ali(ra) were so widespread that he had to shift his capital to the city of Kufa ...a city of his *"Lovers" **but actually not....Shara-i-Ghaddar**

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[quote=“Das Reich”]

Yes but these were the same people of Kufa and iraq which came to medina to kill usman(ra) under thier leader Ghafqi …and latter o deviated with ali(ra) on atter of Tehkeem and started fighting against him as khawrgites…

No they means talha(ra) and zubair(ra) went to basra to take qassas of usman(ra) as in medina(ra) they have a constant life danger as malik bin ushtar already said that …as happened to usman(ra) previously…

they came with a false letter as i have already discussed to take a plea to kill usman(ra) and when they saw that usman had issued a letter on advice of ali(ra) …they had a short time to carry out thier satanic plan as it was also a fear of muavia(ra) would not send a big army to defend usman(ra) …so in Hajj season when medina was almost free…they killed usman(ra)…the letter was that:

During Hazrat Usman (RA)'s last days of tenure, he himself addressed an open letter to the citizens of the then Islamic State (that includes the Non-Muslim Citizens as well) that ," I have learnt that my Official/Governors are hurting common people therefor I have ordered that all the officials and governors would appear and gather during Hajj season and whosoever have any kind of complaint against any of my officials can come forward and after providing evidence can demand justice. {Tareekh Ibn-e-Khaldun Chapter Prophet, Pious Caliphs and Calipahte of Muawiya wa Aal-e-Marwan, Volume 1 and 2}.

So if this happened ..the whole plan of sabai would be overturned as then there would be no excuse for tha sabai about the misbehaviour of governors …so they carried out it in a haste to fulfill thier vicious desires…

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^ I have heard it all before some questions
1) if some of the greatest sahaba did not give bayt to Ali yet you consider him a fourth caliph why?
2) If malik Ashtar was behind all the fitna why did Ali, Hasan and hussain appoint him a commander of their army?
it seems odd that they continued to employ those who allegedly killed uthman yet you do not consider them blameworthy ?
some clarification
firstly Ali shifted his capital to kufa AFTER basra was attacked and occupied by ayesha's army , had he not done hijaz would be totally cut off from iraq and Iran and muawiyah and ayesha would have linked up so it made good military sense to do so....secondly Talha was one of the besiegers of uthman's palace and he was later killed by marwan to avenge uthman
thirdly love of uthman made his avengers plunge the ummah in a civil war ? what kind of misguided love was that ? surely uthman who had such a aversion to bloodshed would have disapproved

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Ans. 1 because majority gave him a bait...
Ans.2 malik only warned talha(ra) and zubair(ra)...he was not directly involved in usman(ra) murder...infact he assured all great sahabas when they went to madina for hajj that rebels will not go to extent to kill usman(ra).....

And brother talha(ra) son ..muhammad was guarding the house how can be he in beseigers of usman(ra)....

and this was the revenge of nature that the muslims divided over the innocent blood of usman(ra) ...as in hadees that umar(ra) is the cl;osed door of fitna...and was broken forcefully.....

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I would recommend some lectures of Shaykh Muhammad bin Yahya Ninowy, about the Martydom of Imam Hussain.

To go with it, also listen to the Sirah of Imam Zain Ul abideen as the shaykh mentions the situation/aftermath of karbala in that speech.. very touching and emotional to hear how MUSLIMS treated the family of the messenger.

Lecutres can be found at sufipath.com
wasalaam

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[quote=“dawa_i_dil”]
Ans. 1 because majority gave him a bait…
Ans.2 malik only warned talha(ra) and zubair(ra)…he was not directly involved in usman(ra) murder…infact he assured all great sahabas when they went to madina for hajj that rebels will not go to extent to kill usman(ra)./qUOTE]

hajj in madina? hmmmmm
I must have slept in my islamiyat class the day they covered that

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thats right bro and not one of those who broke into the house of uthman were kufans ...Malik [ra]only had control over his followers from kufa
the revolutionaries from Egypt and basra were under command of Muhammad b abubakr[ra] and hakim b jabalah[ra] respectively ...although egyptians came under four leaders and they were the ones who attacked uthman's palace
furthermore accounts of who actually struck the blow are tainted and murky as many are narrated by naila wife of uthman who had a grudge against his agitators naturally she wanted to implicate those in the murder who merely were involved in the agitation.
Furthermore any object investigation into the matter was impossible, as the cloak of uthman and naila's fingers allegedly chopped while defending him have already been sent to damshiq where they were publicly displayed to gather support for the revenge.it seems that the syrians sitting comfortably in their palaces have already decided on whom to put the blame for the murder

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The Sacred Head

Question: Where is the head of Imam Hussain?
Answers:
- It is buried in Madinah. (Usool-e-Kafi, Tehzeebil Ahkam)
- It is near the grave of Imam Hasan Mujtaba in Madinah. (Khulasat-ul-Wafa)
- No! It is somewhere else in Jannatul Baqee' (Fatawa Qartabi)
- It was buried by the side of Ali the Ameer in Najaf Ashraf. (Kaamil-uz-Ziarah)
- No again. It is in the Riqqah Mosque. (Abdullah bin Razzaq)
- The Prophet himself rose from his tomb and came from Madinah and by way of a miracle, took away the head from Damascus to Madinah. All other tales are false. (Qutub Rawindi)
- Impossible! The fact is that Yazeed paraded the head in many towns for public view. People carried it from place to place until it ended up in Asqalan. The chief of Asqalan buried it there.
- Wrong! Yazeed deposited the head in his treasury. When Sulaiman bin Abdul Malik came to the throne, he learned of the head's presence in the treasury. He saw the head radiant like polished silver. After keeping it with him for some time, he wrapped it in a shroud and got it buried with respects. [The time of this burial is supposed to be 98 AH i.e. 37 years after the supposed event of Karbala. The authors of Sawaa'iq and Tehzeeb recorded the treasury to burial story centuries later]
- No, No! Umar bin Abdul Aziz buried the head in Karbala during his reign in 100 AH. (Ibne Qayyim)
- Tehzeebul Ahkam records also that when Abbasids came to power in 130 AH (750 CE) they plundered Yazeed's treasury. A soldier caught sight of a bag. When he untied the bag in an isolated field, he saw the sacred head wrapped in silk. It had an Arabic writing on it, "This is the head of Hussain bin Ali." Secretly, the soldier dug the ground with his sword and buried the head. [The soldier had secretly buried the head but Ibn Hasan Toosi of Tehzeebil Ahkam got wind of it three hundred years later. One may recall that the same author of the Tahzeeb had mentioned Sulaiman bin Abdul Malik in this context]
- Ibn Jozi rebuts all this. According to him, the Abbasid Caliph Mansoor found the head in a locked box in the treasury of the Umayyads. He buried it in Damascus.
- Sensing the abundance of the flying tales, another historian named Maqraizi, flayed all other chroniclers, and brought forth his own 'research'. He writes that in the times of Crusades, for fear of the Christians, the head was taken from Damascus to Asqalan. It was then dug up again on the 8th of Jamadiul Awwal, 548 AH and brought to Cairo. The head gave off the fragrance of musk and was dripping of fresh blood. That is where it was buried.
The Essence of Narratives
- Truth was beheaded in Karbala. Shimar's dagger cut off Imam Hussain's head" (Nafsil Mahmoom). [Earlier, it was said that the sacred head was severed by twelve blows of Shimar's sword (Nafsil Mahmum). If Truth was beheaded, all sacrifice ended in vain]
- The head of the Martyr in the Way of Allah was raised up high on a spear. That was the moment that the truth was decapitated. (Shaheed-e-Insaniat.
[If that is so, Muhammad Ali Jauhar is wrong in his poetry:
Hussain's murder is indeed death to Yazeed
Islam gets revived after each Karbala]
- Bibi Shahr Bano took her own life by jumping in the Euphrates (Manaqib, Ibn Shahr Ashob)
- (Impossible)! Bibi Shahr Bano died at the birth of Imam Zainul Abedin. (Israrush Shahadat)
- According to Kitab-e-Israr, Bibi Shar Bano rode away to Jabal-e-Toos on the Imam's steed and her end remains one of the unsolved mysteries of Nature. [But the Imam's steed had died too]
- The caravan of the captives of Karbala consisted of a string of 40 camels carrying Fatima's progeny, some children and some women. (Ashir Bahar) [Forty camels sound far too many for such a small number]
- Fatima Sughra bint Hussain said to a person from Koofa, "Sit you like a dog, the way your father used to." (Malhoof) [The author of Malhoof is presenting this as a specimen of Fatima Junior's eloquence]
- Imam Zainul Abedin said to Ibn Ziad, "No one dies without Allah's Decree. My father also died by His Decree.” (Maqatilut Taalibin) [With such firm faith in Allah's will it would not befit him to wail in Ibn Ziyad's court]
- Imam Hussain's head was being paraded in the streets of Koofa. The head was constantly reciting the ayahs, "See that the matter of the People of Kahf and Raqeem was one of Our unique signs." The audience spoke out, "O Son of the Prophet! Your case is even more wondrous!" (Ashir Bahar)
Every Clan will Long for Hussain … but
- Imam Hussain used to call us profanities. Imam Hussain used to draw his sword to slay us. (Bani Ziyad's taunt, Nasikhut Tawareekh)
- When this destitute caravan was entering Syria, Yazeed was watching the scene from the top of his castle in Jerone. A crow cawed and Yazeed was delighted. He started humming a tune, "I have settled scores with the Prophet.” [Tabeen Najafi, the author of Tazkiratul Khawas, hears this caw-caw five hundred years later]
- Damascus was wearing a festive look that day (Qumqam). [How could the Muslim masses celebrate the martyrdom of the exalted Prophet's grandson?]
- One of the fifty people who brought the Imam’s head from Koofa to
Damascus reported that they had a round of drinking around the sacred head. One dark night it so happened, that the gates of heaven were flung open with thunder and lightning. All Messengers from Adam to Muhammad descended, accompanied by Gabriel and thousands of other angels. Gabriel lifted the sacred head, embraced and kissed it. All other Messengers (124,000) then did the same. Looking at the head of his grandson, the Prophet of Allah wept profusely. Other Messengers helped him compose himself. (Nafsil Mahmoom). [Angel Gabriel should have carried the head to heavens]
- Ibn Jozi has written in his Tazkarah, "Five hundred years before the birth of the Prophet, there was a verse etched on a stone in Siryani language that there would be a people who slay Hussain and yet hope for intercession by his grandfather. [Ibn Jozi does not tell us who saw the stone and where]
- Near a mountain called Joshan, one of Hussain’s wives suffered a miscarriage. There were some people at work nearby. She requested them for some water to drink. They not only rejected her request but spoke rudely. The lady cursed them. There was a red copper-mine in that mountain. That mine suddenly exploded (Mo'jamil Baldan). [Why could her curse not destroy the army of Ibn Ziyad?]
- It is reported in Maqtalil Hussain, "In the bazaars of Syria, the sacred head of Hussain went on counting beads of a rosary. It was calling out, "My martyrdom and the mounting of my head on the spear is more wonderous than the story of Dwellers of the Cave." [The Mullah takes this yarn as strengthening the faith, whereas the educated young make fun of their own religion when they hear such irrationalities]